But News is news. And an encyclopedia is not news. I am not saying to force anyone to contribute anywhere, but to contribute to the items where those items are supposed to be. And that means no news on Wikipedia. I mean seriously...we have to tell people all the time we are not Wikipedia. They should be required to do the same. ] Jason
bawolff wrote:
[cross posted like how the original message was cross posted, hopefully thats ok]
To take the unpopular side, I've always gone to the wikipedia news section for different reasons than i go to wikinews. Sometimes I want a news story, sometimes I want an encyclopedia article on a current event. They aren't really the same thing, and i personally like both
-bawolff
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM, cirt tric cirt.wik@gmail.com wrote:
Wikinews Importer Bot has helped improve the amount of links incoming to Wikinews' Main Page and to individual Wikinews articles - Perhaps not directly from en.wikipedia's Main Page itself - but certainly from Portal pages, and pretty prominently at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
Do we want the Wikipedia news people? They'd need to put in a lot more effort - at the moment they just make 2-3 sentences from an item that is being included in Wikipedia, and their work appears on the 8th most popular site on the Internet.
Wikinews does okay having a link above the crease on WP's main page. Selling a link like that on the main page would probably be worth six figures, we're not capitalising on that. And we cannot order people from Wikipedia to work on Wikinews to do so. It is like the meta discussion on a global BLP, we don't want told what we can and can't write, let alone even risk it. WP people involved with their news section would not take kindly to being told to do a full report on Wikinews.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jason Safoutin Sent: 25 May 2009 21:53 To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikipedia's 'In the news'
That can already be done easily as it is now. Those who write the news on WP can write the news on WP. It should not be a matter of popularity, but a matter of getting out the most information, the easiest, quickest way possible, with as much *collaboration *as possible. As it is, with the contributions on WP for the news, we are not collaborating we are competing. It may or may not be an intentional competition but is its one. It seems the only time we get any contributors from WP is when they do something to piss everyone else off. When the incident is settled, they go back to writing news on WP...the same news that they were just writing on WN. So I am just lost as to what exactly the point of all this would be? Its like taking what WMF stands for and ignoring it because something may or may not be as popular as it was before.
-- Jason Safoutin Wikinews accredited reporter and administrator jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org
Brian McNeil wrote:
I would agree were Wikinews a far, far more active project. In such circumstances Wikinews would do the news, and it would be filtered to a small section on the Wikipedia main page.
Brian.
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I have my stance on Wikipedia and the news section. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. Not a news site. Whether or not it was around before Wikinews makes no difference. The mere fact that Wikipedia has a news section, makes it almost like Wikinews is to compete with them. There would be no real problem, other than those who would scream about it, to move the Wikipedia news to Wikinews. There would be nothing lost on Wikipedia, given the fact Wikinews and WP are run by the same foundation and are all sister projects. I hear the same argument of "Wikinews is not a reliable news site", but there is no logical reason for Wikipedia to have a news section. It just seems, in my opinion, that having it on Wikipedia, just takes one of the fundamental goals of WMF away: collaboration.
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