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I want to see the blog resurrected on Wikinewsie - and perhaps others
added there too. You can pretty much forget us getting a WMF-provided
blog of any particular sort until we prove such will clearly fit the
remit laid out to justify 501(c) status.
The Editors' Blog did not do too well for a variety of reasons. The
scope was intended to be on the details of the news reporting process,
yes with posts being single author and having a clear byline there is
nothing wrong with opinion that would not meet NPOV. There is a problem
with ranting anger that isn't cogently justified.
A more technical blog, or one with a focus on recent meta-news might
work. There certainly isn't much chance of us being able to make
submissions to the official WMF tech blog. In this case, WordPress is
more appropriate than wiki technology because there is little
collaboration on the published item, and a need for a widely-known
simple comment system.
I set up Wikinewsie.org because, despite asking again and again, nobody
would agree to give us @wikinews.org or even @en.wikinews.org email
addresses. The rest is just because it'd be stupid not to have a web
page matching the domain in the email addresses.
At Wikimania in Alexandria, there were nods of agreement from Sue, Jay,
and Michael when I said I would like the WMF to take over the domain and
provide the hosting. Since then nothing, but it is clear from current
discussions that Wikinews is not a remotely important project when
prioritising the issues the WMF has to deal with. There is an open
invitation for stuff on the strategy wiki, and I would quite like to put
that up there. However, we have to be able to say what the one-off and
continuing costs are.
Realistically, we have to get the Wikinewsie site to a state where we
could hand it over without requiring substantial up-front costs, or high
ongoing ones. Those costs will fall on the WMF techies. We need to use
open source applications that are believed to have been well tested, if
not actually had their code audited. Where there is custom code, it
should be as short as possible and simple enough to allow a speedy
review or audit.
So, the current real pain in the ass with Wikinewsie is maintaining the
list of accredited users. It looks like the closed wiki on there with
the Public: namespace is the best option for that. Then the number of
people who can maintain the data is much bigger, and the task is less
technical.
If we change the wiki to the Vector skin and tweak it to look
WMF-related, but noticeably enough different, that would be ideal. Then
you need a Wordpress theme that matches this. What other glue do we need
to hold the whole thing together? What open source tools would we
replace Godaddy's email and calendar tools with? A last point is, can we
integrate Wordpress, wiki, email, and calendar login a-la SUL? Can we do
so with fine-grained enough control to give accredited reporters and
admins access to the wiki, but not those who are only admins email? Do
we have some sort of Wikinewsie super-bureaucrats who can say, yes,
Bawolff gets permissions to go almost anywhere and change technical
details, or kick off bug-fix updates. But not post to blog X because he
isn't accredited.
Then, is there any specific feature we need from these tools that they
don't provide? Can we persuade someone to develop that? I can see a
calendar for working on news reporting being very useful if anyone can
propose an upcoming event be added, those proposals being vetted, then
appearing on a public calendar. That could be far more useful than the
current on-wiki mechanism to propose a story.
Are there enough people interested in seeing this happen to work on it
on-wiki and do some of the technical work? If so, I'll create a page,
lay out what I think we should have, and invite others to do the same
and comment on my ideas.
Brian.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> From: Tristan Thomas <tris(a)waterhay.co.uk>
> Date: Sat, October 03, 2009 11:22 am
> To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> This is a good idea, but I was thinking it would be much better if we could
> have a blog that all accredited users could post to. I know we used to have
> one that I saw linked from Wikinewsie, but it would be much better if it was
> on Wikinews itself, similar to the Wikimedia and WIkimedia UK one. This
> could incorporate technical, visual or news updates from anyone who wanted
> to do one.
> Thoughts?
>
> 2009/10/3 <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>
>
> > In IRC, shen Shaka mentioned doing a newsletter type update I thought it
> > would be a good idea to incorporate this into {{Howdy}} - give it an
> > extra tab for "News" and embed another page or template with stuff like
> > the below bulleted list.
> >
> > Adding the extra tab is not a problem, but {{Howdy}} is already
> > displaying badly in Firefox on Ubuntu. When I looked at it to see about
> > adding an extra tab it is displayed such that the tabs along the top are
> > wider than the box containing the currently displayed message. I can't
> > see an obvious way within the {{Howdy}} template to, say, increase the
> > template width to 90% of page width.
> >
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> > > From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com <bawolff%2Bwn(a)gmail.com>>
> > > Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 11:26 pm
> > > To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > >
> > >
> > > In the interest of fairness, only one of thoose gadgets are mine. The
> > > other one is the original version stolen from the french wikinewsies.
> > > Cheers.
> > > --
> > > - Brian
> > > Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85
> > > million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jon Davis <wiki(a)konsoletek.com> wrote:
> > > > I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled
> > newsletter
> > > > of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the list
> > > > archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to
> > start/resurrect
> > > > it. After all, we do important things around here and if you aren't on
> > the
> > > > Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important
> > highlights
> > > > from last month:
> > > >
> > > > September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in one
> > day.
> > > > [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029
> > > > The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number -
> > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews
> > > > We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with Wikinews -
> > > > [[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b
> > > > [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review by
> > Bawolff
> > > > - http://enwn.net/b05f
> > > > Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that integrate
> > to
> > > > Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b
> > > > As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due to a
> > > > change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c
> > > > Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics
> > Project]] -
> > > > http://enwn.net/5967
> > > > The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to show
> > up in
> > > > the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h
> > > > Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2 years.
> > -
> > > > http://enwn.net/6972
> > > > All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month) automatically.
> > > > New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5
> > > >
> > > > Something important get forgotten? Want to help participate in next
> > months
> > > > newsletter? Stop by and leave a note on the respective months entry:
> > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai/Around_enWikinews]] - http://enwn.net/D132
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jon
> > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
> > > > http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
> > > > http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
> > > > This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > > > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> >
> >
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> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> ><hr>_______________________________________________
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I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled newsletter
of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the list
archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to start/resurrect
it. After all, we do important things around here and if you aren't on the
Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important highlights
from last month:
- September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in one
day. [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029
- The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number -
http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews
- We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with Wikinews -
[[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b
- [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review by
Bawolff - http://enwn.net/b05f
- Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that integrate
to Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b
- As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due to a
change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c
- Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics
Project]] - http://enwn.net/5967
- The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to show
up in the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h
- Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2 years.
- http://enwn.net/6972
- All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month) automatically.
- New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5
Something important get forgotten? Want to help participate in next months
newsletter? Stop by and leave a note on the respective months entry:
[[User:ShakataGaNai/Around_enWikinews]] - http://enwn.net/D132
--
Jon
[[User:ShakataGaNai]]
http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
#blog on front page
I know who past accredited reporters were, and who some of those who
still are, are.
Sooner or later someone will "rant" in an inappropriate and extremely
poorly thought out way. Sure, it is themselves they're opening up to
comments that rip their arguments apart for being poorly thought out and
not based in reality. But it will reflect poorly on us all, and look
highly unprofessional. That's why I would rather have more than one
blog, define a clear scope for any blogs we do have, not have them
in-your-face up-front, and if anyone does feel the need to "rant" they
do it on their own personal blog.
#list of accredited users on wikinewsie
The email domain is @wikinewsie.org. If you contact someone, and they
decide to see who/what a "Wikinewsie" is, they'll look at that domain's
website. If they're redirected to en.wn, they could attach all the
"unreliable", "anyone can change it", &c connotations from seeing a
wiki. Presenting the data (list of reporters & bios) in such a way that
it looks 'cast-in-stone', and unalterable is more credible.
I am also on ComCom, and have access to the OTRS queue for press queries
sent to the WMF. You do tend to carry out these sort of checks, you do
want to "know thine enemy" before responding. Just like when someone
emails from a gmail address, and says they're from the NYT, you make an
effort to verify this is true. This can even be emailing back and asking
for contact from a @nyt address.
#google for email
I'm doing my best to keep my email out of the UK government's
super-database. I have zero assurances or trust Google won't give up
that information if told "He's a UK peon, we say you're one of his ISPs,
give all the data". If you think it won't happen, look at how they
cooperate with China. At least USians have the current attempt to get
telcos bitchslapped for warantless wiretapping, not so for many others.
I have used gmail accounts as a convenient and semi-anonymous free email
address. If I ever intend to say something I would prefer difficult to
pin on me, I always retrieve and send email with POP/SMTP *through Tor*.
Let's see a show of hands as to how many people on this list, accredited
or not, could actually do that.
I am disinclined to use Google for wikinewsie stuff on that basis,
they're not really the techie "do-no-evil" company anymore, they're an
advertising and marketing company. They will always collect data to make
saleable statistics - I prefer to "poison the well" and skew the
statistics over helpfully providing such data.
As Jon says, we've had this Google Apps argument before. I've 20 years
experience in IT with a big chunk of that in cellular telecoms, I used
to get my hands on 1/4" mag tapes with a full month's call details for
all a service provider's subscribers; who called, for how long, which
tower(s) handled the call, all the numbers dialled that didn't answer.
There has never been any thought that this data belongs to the
subscriber. That attitude has never changed, just a variety of
concessions to stop customers running away screaming, or compliance with
whatever government legislation is enacted to give the appearance of
privacy.
So I'm fairly sure my position is well-informed. Google will quickly and
quietly fold in the face of concerns from a sovereign government. We're
trying to be journalists, using Google is like Bob Woodward faxing all
his reporter's notes to a document storage company that would hand them
over the second Tricky Dicky asked.
Brian.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinewsie
> From: Tristan Thomas <tris(a)waterhay.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, October 04, 2009 9:22 am
> To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> I like Jon's proposal. I want to keep list of accredited users on Wikinews
> as there's no reason it needs to be anywhere else. We can start having
> quick biogs of reporters on there if that's what people want. Agree with
> Gmail-Godaddy is forwarded to it anyway for me, so not too bothered. TBH I
> can't see it is worth it to get SUL-it's only a few things & you can have
> the same details.
> Thoughts on Jon's idea?
>
> 2009/10/4 Jon Davis <wiki(a)konsoletek.com>
>
> > I was thinkin about this problem and here's what I came up with.
> >
> > - Make Wikinewsie.org (main page), the blog.
> > - Allow trusted users to have an account on the blog to basically post what
> > they want. We always tell people "We don't do editorials, thats what blogs
> > are for", well there you go. We can have our Offsite, non-official blog,
> > where we can be POV. Well at least some people can do that stuff. Some
> > people like me can stick to posting technical news.
> > - Stick to maintaining the accredited user list on en.Wikinews
> > - GoDaddy email/Calendar get replaced by Gmail Apps for your Domain. I
> > know their free version supports up to 25 users, we can probably email them
> > and get more because we're kinda sorta non-profit.
> > - Keep the Wikinewsie wiki an embargoed wiki, we don't need a public
> > namespace on that.
> > - The answer to the "SUL-like" question is LDAP. I know you can easily tie
> > Mediawiki to LDAP and from my quick google'ing, wordpress too. That being
> > said, is it worth it? I dunno. Then you have to maintain the LDAP service
> > too, and that doesn't even mention the mail issue (you'd have to have your
> > own app for that, no hosted deal). Oh, and I forgot the issue of
> > permissions.
> >
> > I'd be willing to volunteer for some the technical stuff, after all servers
> > are kinda my thing.
> >
> > -SGN
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 05:46, <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I want to see the blog resurrected on Wikinewsie - and perhaps others
> >> added there too. You can pretty much forget us getting a WMF-provided
> >> blog of any particular sort until we prove such will clearly fit the
> >> remit laid out to justify 501(c) status.
> >>
> >> The Editors' Blog did not do too well for a variety of reasons. The
> >> scope was intended to be on the details of the news reporting process,
> >> yes with posts being single author and having a clear byline there is
> >> nothing wrong with opinion that would not meet NPOV. There is a problem
> >> with ranting anger that isn't cogently justified.
> >>
> >> A more technical blog, or one with a focus on recent meta-news might
> >> work. There certainly isn't much chance of us being able to make
> >> submissions to the official WMF tech blog. In this case, WordPress is
> >> more appropriate than wiki technology because there is little
> >> collaboration on the published item, and a need for a widely-known
> >> simple comment system.
> >>
> >> I set up Wikinewsie.org because, despite asking again and again, nobody
> >> would agree to give us @wikinews.org or even @en.wikinews.org email
> >> addresses. The rest is just because it'd be stupid not to have a web
> >> page matching the domain in the email addresses.
> >>
> >> At Wikimania in Alexandria, there were nods of agreement from Sue, Jay,
> >> and Michael when I said I would like the WMF to take over the domain and
> >> provide the hosting. Since then nothing, but it is clear from current
> >> discussions that Wikinews is not a remotely important project when
> >> prioritising the issues the WMF has to deal with. There is an open
> >> invitation for stuff on the strategy wiki, and I would quite like to put
> >> that up there. However, we have to be able to say what the one-off and
> >> continuing costs are.
> >>
> >> Realistically, we have to get the Wikinewsie site to a state where we
> >> could hand it over without requiring substantial up-front costs, or high
> >> ongoing ones. Those costs will fall on the WMF techies. We need to use
> >> open source applications that are believed to have been well tested, if
> >> not actually had their code audited. Where there is custom code, it
> >> should be as short as possible and simple enough to allow a speedy
> >> review or audit.
> >>
> >> So, the current real pain in the ass with Wikinewsie is maintaining the
> >> list of accredited users. It looks like the closed wiki on there with
> >> the Public: namespace is the best option for that. Then the number of
> >> people who can maintain the data is much bigger, and the task is less
> >> technical.
> >>
> >> If we change the wiki to the Vector skin and tweak it to look
> >> WMF-related, but noticeably enough different, that would be ideal. Then
> >> you need a Wordpress theme that matches this. What other glue do we need
> >> to hold the whole thing together? What open source tools would we
> >> replace Godaddy's email and calendar tools with? A last point is, can we
> >> integrate Wordpress, wiki, email, and calendar login a-la SUL? Can we do
> >> so with fine-grained enough control to give accredited reporters and
> >> admins access to the wiki, but not those who are only admins email? Do
> >> we have some sort of Wikinewsie super-bureaucrats who can say, yes,
> >> Bawolff gets permissions to go almost anywhere and change technical
> >> details, or kick off bug-fix updates. But not post to blog X because he
> >> isn't accredited.
> >>
> >> Then, is there any specific feature we need from these tools that they
> >> don't provide? Can we persuade someone to develop that? I can see a
> >> calendar for working on news reporting being very useful if anyone can
> >> propose an upcoming event be added, those proposals being vetted, then
> >> appearing on a public calendar. That could be far more useful than the
> >> current on-wiki mechanism to propose a story.
> >>
> >> Are there enough people interested in seeing this happen to work on it
> >> on-wiki and do some of the technical work? If so, I'll create a page,
> >> lay out what I think we should have, and invite others to do the same
> >> and comment on my ideas.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian.
> >>
> >> > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> >> > From: Tristan Thomas <tris(a)waterhay.co.uk>
> >> > Date: Sat, October 03, 2009 11:22 am
> >> > To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a good idea, but I was thinking it would be much better if we
> >> could
> >> > have a blog that all accredited users could post to. I know we used to
> >> have
> >> > one that I saw linked from Wikinewsie, but it would be much better if it
> >> was
> >> > on Wikinews itself, similar to the Wikimedia and WIkimedia UK one. This
> >> > could incorporate technical, visual or news updates from anyone who
> >> wanted
> >> > to do one.
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > 2009/10/3 <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>
> >> >
> >> > > In IRC, shen Shaka mentioned doing a newsletter type update I thought
> >> it
> >> > > would be a good idea to incorporate this into {{Howdy}} - give it an
> >> > > extra tab for "News" and embed another page or template with stuff
> >> like
> >> > > the below bulleted list.
> >> > >
> >> > > Adding the extra tab is not a problem, but {{Howdy}} is already
> >> > > displaying badly in Firefox on Ubuntu. When I looked at it to see
> >> about
> >> > > adding an extra tab it is displayed such that the tabs along the top
> >> are
> >> > > wider than the box containing the currently displayed message. I can't
> >> > > see an obvious way within the {{Howdy}} template to, say, increase the
> >> > > template width to 90% of page width.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brian.
> >> > >
> >> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> >> > > > From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com <bawolff%2Bwn(a)gmail.com> <
> >> bawolff%2Bwn(a)gmail.com <bawolff%252Bwn(a)gmail.com>>>
> >> > > > Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 11:26 pm
> >> > > > To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In the interest of fairness, only one of thoose gadgets are mine.
> >> The
> >> > > > other one is the original version stolen from the french
> >> wikinewsies.
> >> > > > Cheers.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > - Brian
> >> > > > Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of
> >> 85
> >> > > > million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jon Davis <wiki(a)konsoletek.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled
> >> > > newsletter
> >> > > > > of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the
> >> list
> >> > > > > archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to
> >> > > start/resurrect
> >> > > > > it. After all, we do important things around here and if you
> >> aren't on
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important
> >> > > highlights
> >> > > > > from last month:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in
> >> one
> >> > > day.
> >> > > > > [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029
> >> > > > > The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number -
> >> > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews
> >> > > > > We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with
> >> Wikinews -
> >> > > > > [[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b
> >> > > > > [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review
> >> by
> >> > > Bawolff
> >> > > > > - http://enwn.net/b05f
> >> > > > > Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that
> >> integrate
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b
> >> > > > > As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due
> >> to a
> >> > > > > change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c
> >> > > > > Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics
> >> > > Project]] -
> >> > > > > http://enwn.net/5967
> >> > > > > The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to
> >> show
> >> > > up in
> >> > > > > the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h
> >> > > > > Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2
> >> years.
> >> > > -
> >> > > > > http://enwn.net/6972
> >> > > > > All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month)
> >> automatically.
> >> > > > > New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Something important get forgotten? Want to help participate in
> >> next
> >> > > months
> >> > > > > newsletter? Stop by and leave a note on the respective months
> >> entry:
> >> > > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai/Around_enWikinews]] - http://enwn.net/D132
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Jon
> >> > > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
> >> > > > > http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
> >> > > > > http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
> >> > > > > This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
> >> > > > >
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> > [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
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> >
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I was thinkin about this problem and here's what I came up with.
- Make Wikinewsie.org (main page), the blog.
- Allow trusted users to have an account on the blog to basically post what
they want. We always tell people "We don't do editorials, thats what blogs
are for", well there you go. We can have our Offsite, non-official blog,
where we can be POV. Well at least some people can do that stuff. Some
people like me can stick to posting technical news.
- Stick to maintaining the accredited user list on en.Wikinews
- GoDaddy email/Calendar get replaced by Gmail Apps for your Domain. I know
their free version supports up to 25 users, we can probably email them and
get more because we're kinda sorta non-profit.
- Keep the Wikinewsie wiki an embargoed wiki, we don't need a public
namespace on that.
- The answer to the "SUL-like" question is LDAP. I know you can easily tie
Mediawiki to LDAP and from my quick google'ing, wordpress too. That being
said, is it worth it? I dunno. Then you have to maintain the LDAP service
too, and that doesn't even mention the mail issue (you'd have to have your
own app for that, no hosted deal). Oh, and I forgot the issue of
permissions.
I'd be willing to volunteer for some the technical stuff, after all servers
are kinda my thing.
-SGN
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 05:46, <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> I want to see the blog resurrected on Wikinewsie - and perhaps others
> added there too. You can pretty much forget us getting a WMF-provided
> blog of any particular sort until we prove such will clearly fit the
> remit laid out to justify 501(c) status.
>
> The Editors' Blog did not do too well for a variety of reasons. The
> scope was intended to be on the details of the news reporting process,
> yes with posts being single author and having a clear byline there is
> nothing wrong with opinion that would not meet NPOV. There is a problem
> with ranting anger that isn't cogently justified.
>
> A more technical blog, or one with a focus on recent meta-news might
> work. There certainly isn't much chance of us being able to make
> submissions to the official WMF tech blog. In this case, WordPress is
> more appropriate than wiki technology because there is little
> collaboration on the published item, and a need for a widely-known
> simple comment system.
>
> I set up Wikinewsie.org because, despite asking again and again, nobody
> would agree to give us @wikinews.org or even @en.wikinews.org email
> addresses. The rest is just because it'd be stupid not to have a web
> page matching the domain in the email addresses.
>
> At Wikimania in Alexandria, there were nods of agreement from Sue, Jay,
> and Michael when I said I would like the WMF to take over the domain and
> provide the hosting. Since then nothing, but it is clear from current
> discussions that Wikinews is not a remotely important project when
> prioritising the issues the WMF has to deal with. There is an open
> invitation for stuff on the strategy wiki, and I would quite like to put
> that up there. However, we have to be able to say what the one-off and
> continuing costs are.
>
> Realistically, we have to get the Wikinewsie site to a state where we
> could hand it over without requiring substantial up-front costs, or high
> ongoing ones. Those costs will fall on the WMF techies. We need to use
> open source applications that are believed to have been well tested, if
> not actually had their code audited. Where there is custom code, it
> should be as short as possible and simple enough to allow a speedy
> review or audit.
>
> So, the current real pain in the ass with Wikinewsie is maintaining the
> list of accredited users. It looks like the closed wiki on there with
> the Public: namespace is the best option for that. Then the number of
> people who can maintain the data is much bigger, and the task is less
> technical.
>
> If we change the wiki to the Vector skin and tweak it to look
> WMF-related, but noticeably enough different, that would be ideal. Then
> you need a Wordpress theme that matches this. What other glue do we need
> to hold the whole thing together? What open source tools would we
> replace Godaddy's email and calendar tools with? A last point is, can we
> integrate Wordpress, wiki, email, and calendar login a-la SUL? Can we do
> so with fine-grained enough control to give accredited reporters and
> admins access to the wiki, but not those who are only admins email? Do
> we have some sort of Wikinewsie super-bureaucrats who can say, yes,
> Bawolff gets permissions to go almost anywhere and change technical
> details, or kick off bug-fix updates. But not post to blog X because he
> isn't accredited.
>
> Then, is there any specific feature we need from these tools that they
> don't provide? Can we persuade someone to develop that? I can see a
> calendar for working on news reporting being very useful if anyone can
> propose an upcoming event be added, those proposals being vetted, then
> appearing on a public calendar. That could be far more useful than the
> current on-wiki mechanism to propose a story.
>
> Are there enough people interested in seeing this happen to work on it
> on-wiki and do some of the technical work? If so, I'll create a page,
> lay out what I think we should have, and invite others to do the same
> and comment on my ideas.
>
>
> Brian.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> > From: Tristan Thomas <tris(a)waterhay.co.uk>
> > Date: Sat, October 03, 2009 11:22 am
> > To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >
> >
> > This is a good idea, but I was thinking it would be much better if we
> could
> > have a blog that all accredited users could post to. I know we used to
> have
> > one that I saw linked from Wikinewsie, but it would be much better if it
> was
> > on Wikinews itself, similar to the Wikimedia and WIkimedia UK one. This
> > could incorporate technical, visual or news updates from anyone who
> wanted
> > to do one.
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > 2009/10/3 <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org>
> >
> > > In IRC, shen Shaka mentioned doing a newsletter type update I thought
> it
> > > would be a good idea to incorporate this into {{Howdy}} - give it an
> > > extra tab for "News" and embed another page or template with stuff like
> > > the below bulleted list.
> > >
> > > Adding the extra tab is not a problem, but {{Howdy}} is already
> > > displaying badly in Firefox on Ubuntu. When I looked at it to see about
> > > adding an extra tab it is displayed such that the tabs along the top
> are
> > > wider than the box containing the currently displayed message. I can't
> > > see an obvious way within the {{Howdy}} template to, say, increase the
> > > template width to 90% of page width.
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> > > > From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com <bawolff%2Bwn(a)gmail.com> <
> bawolff%2Bwn(a)gmail.com <bawolff%252Bwn(a)gmail.com>>>
> > > > Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 11:26 pm
> > > > To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the interest of fairness, only one of thoose gadgets are mine. The
> > > > other one is the original version stolen from the french wikinewsies.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > --
> > > > - Brian
> > > > Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of
> 85
> > > > million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jon Davis <wiki(a)konsoletek.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled
> > > newsletter
> > > > > of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the
> list
> > > > > archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to
> > > start/resurrect
> > > > > it. After all, we do important things around here and if you
> aren't on
> > > the
> > > > > Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important
> > > highlights
> > > > > from last month:
> > > > >
> > > > > September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in
> one
> > > day.
> > > > > [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029
> > > > > The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number -
> > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews
> > > > > We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with
> Wikinews -
> > > > > [[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b
> > > > > [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review by
> > > Bawolff
> > > > > - http://enwn.net/b05f
> > > > > Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that
> integrate
> > > to
> > > > > Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b
> > > > > As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due
> to a
> > > > > change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c
> > > > > Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics
> > > Project]] -
> > > > > http://enwn.net/5967
> > > > > The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to
> show
> > > up in
> > > > > the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h
> > > > > Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2
> years.
> > > -
> > > > > http://enwn.net/6972
> > > > > All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month)
> automatically.
> > > > > New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5
> > > > >
> > > > > Something important get forgotten? Want to help participate in next
> > > months
> > > > > newsletter? Stop by and leave a note on the respective months
> entry:
> > > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai/Around_enWikinews]] - http://enwn.net/D132
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jon
> > > > > [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
> > > > > http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
> > > > > http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
> > > > > This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > > > > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> > >
> > >
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>
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Jon
[[User:ShakataGaNai]]
http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
In IRC, shen Shaka mentioned doing a newsletter type update I thought it
would be a good idea to incorporate this into {{Howdy}} - give it an
extra tab for "News" and embed another page or template with stuff like
the below bulleted list.
Adding the extra tab is not a problem, but {{Howdy}} is already
displaying badly in Firefox on Ubuntu. When I looked at it to see about
adding an extra tab it is displayed such that the tabs along the top are
wider than the box containing the currently displayed message. I can't
see an obvious way within the {{Howdy}} template to, say, increase the
template width to 90% of page width.
Brian.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Around enWikinews - September '09
> From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 11:26 pm
> To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> In the interest of fairness, only one of thoose gadgets are mine. The
> other one is the original version stolen from the french wikinewsies.
> Cheers.
> --
> - Brian
> Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85
> million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jon Davis <wiki(a)konsoletek.com> wrote:
> > I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled newsletter
> > of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the list
> > archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to start/resurrect
> > it. After all, we do important things around here and if you aren't on the
> > Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important highlights
> > from last month:
> >
> > September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in one day.
> > [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029
> > The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number -
> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews
> > We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with Wikinews -
> > [[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b
> > [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review by Bawolff
> > - http://enwn.net/b05f
> > Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that integrate to
> > Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b
> > As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due to a
> > change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c
> > Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics Project]] -
> > http://enwn.net/5967
> > The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to show up in
> > the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h
> > Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2 years. -
> > http://enwn.net/6972
> > All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month) automatically.
> > New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5
> >
> > Something important get forgotten? Want to help participate in next months
> > newsletter? Stop by and leave a note on the respective months entry:
> > [[User:ShakataGaNai/Around_enWikinews]] - http://enwn.net/D132
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jon
> > [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
> > http://snowulf.com/ - Blog
> > http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures
> > This has been a test of the emergency sig system.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikinews-l mailing list
> > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
> >
> >
>
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