Wikinews-l November 2007

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set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and comment
by bawolff 27 Nov '07

27 Nov '07

Whoops wrong list. Sorry wikiversity people. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> Date: Nov 26, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Fwd: [Wikiquote-l] set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and comment To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> as a side note, there was a discussion on wc as to wether to enable it on english wikinews. Not sure what happened to it -bawolff On Nov 26, 2007 5:36 PM, Casey Brown < cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry for cross-posting, but the original message wasn't sent to the > above lists although it affects the users at those projects just as > much. :-) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Elisabeth Anderl < n9502784(a)students.meduniwien.ac.at> > Date: Nov 26, 2007 5:03 PM > Subject: [Wikiquote-l] set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and > comment > To: wiktionary-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikiquote-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, > wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikispecies-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Dear Wikimedians, please read and comment the following plea, which is > of common interest through WMF-projects: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metapub#set_pagemoves_to_autoconfirmed_-_ple… > > > Many thanks in advance, > best regards, > Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiquote-l mailing list > Wikiquote-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiquote-l > > > > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > --- > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails > sent to > this address will probably get lost. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > Wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >

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Fwd: [Foundation-l] set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and comment
by Wikinews Markie 27 Nov '07

27 Nov '07

Wahey!! Some central busy body has come up with a great idea!! WOOOOO Lets all follow and bow down!!!! Seriously though in a nut shell they want to impose page move restrictions on every wiki (as i read it) and therefore it will apply to us as well. So links are below - please do what you feel is right. mark ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elisabeth Anderl <n9502784(a)students.meduniwien.ac.at> Date: Nov 26, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and comment To: wiktionary-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikiquote-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikispecies-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Dear Wikimedians, please read and comment the following plea, which is of common interest through WMF-projects: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metapub#set_pagemoves_to_autoconfirmed_-_ple… < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metapub#set_pagemoves_to_autoconfirmed_-_ple… > Many thanks in advance, best regards, Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy) _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Milos is your Yaar! :)
by Milos 26 Nov '07

26 Nov '07

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Bot for statistics
by Milos Rancic 25 Nov '07

25 Nov '07

I wrote it and put it in crontab on Toolserver. It will generate statistics every day at 00:10 UTC. Currently, it is working on sr.wn and en.wn. If anyone from other project is interested to have those statistics, I may add it easily. It changes pages [[Template:Statistics]]. However, I didn't make possibilities for localization yet, but I'll do that in the future.

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Re: [Wikinews-l] PLEASE LET US HANDLE IT TOGETHER..
by Brian McNeil 22 Nov '07

22 Nov '07

Mr Robert, You really should vet the people you choose to try and entangle in these hair-brained pretend-to-be-the dead-relative emails. I am a reporter yes, a journalist. I have done investigative work on what is casually referred to as the Nigerian 419 advance fee fraud. I have no intention of meeting you in some dark and dingy corner of London where you will attempt to extort vast sums of money from me which I do not have. You certainly dont know my background, and likely obtained my email address from a spam list. I suggest you shop for stupid peoples email addresses at Retards r us. No Regards, no respect. Brian McNeil. -----Original Message----- From: Mr. Franklin Robert [mailto:bvhg@myway.com] Sent: 20 November 2007 00:09 To: frankrobert0(a)yahoo.co.uk Subject: PLEASE LET US HANDLE IT TOGETHER.. 5th Floor Cannon Bridge House 25 Dowgate Hill London, EC4R 2SB United Kingdom Attention Friend: Please accept my sincere apologizes if my email does not meet your business or personal ethics. I will first introduce myself as Mr.Franklin Robert, the Chief Auditor with NATWEST BANK PLC, LONDON-UK. One of our accounts, with holding balance of £12.500 000,000 (Twelve Million Five Hundred thousand pounds Sterling) has been dormant and last operated for years ago. From my investigations, the owner of the said account,Is a foreigner by name Mr. John Shume Jda who died along with his entire family in crash at Birmingham Airport on 4th Jan,2002.View this website for verification <http://www.cwn.org.uk/business/az/a/agco/2002/01/020104-air-crash.htm> http://www.cwn.org.uk/business/az/a/agco/2002/01/020104-air-crash.htm Since then, nobody has done anything as regards the claiming of this money,as he has no family member that has any knowledge as to the existence of either the account or the funds; I have confidently discussed this issue with some of the bank officials and we have agreed to find a reliable foreign partner to deal with. My proposition to you, is to seek your consent to present you as the Next of kin and beneficiary of this late client,So that the proceeds of this account valued a huge sum shall be paid to you, and then we can share the amount on a mutually agreed percentage of 30% for you,while 60% for me and others involved, 10% shall be used for miscelenious expenses while the remainder shall be given to a reputable charity home because the money is owned by a deceased person. This transaction is totally free of risk and troubles as the fund is legitimate and does not originate from drug, money laundry, terrorism or any otherillegal act, funds will be released to you after necessary processes have been followed.Let me hear from you as soon as you get this message,so we can proceed kindly reply at franklin_robert01(a)yahoo.co.uk <http://uk.f266.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=franklin_robert01@yahoo.co.uk> Best Regards, Mr.Franklin Robert Chief Auditor _____ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Lower Thirds and Title Summaries
by Samuel 20 Nov '07

20 Nov '07

Hey guys, I noticed there weren't any lower thirds in the graphics sections or title summaries (i.e. today on Wikinews Video, KFC announces new kebab (picture of kebab)); stuff like that. I did a mock-up of both, including the Wikinews logo in some way. Lower thirds: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x1/tacomagic/lowerthird.jpg The left and right sections of the logo (the blue lines) would fade in and slide out from the middle into a lower third as seen in the image. Summaries: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x1/tacomagic/WNintro.jpg The blue lines of the logo will spin around the center while different images flash up. If you like these ideas, I'll make an animation in After Effects. Sam

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Backgrounds
by Samuel 20 Nov '07

20 Nov '07

I think we shouldn't really bother about a virtual studio or stage. I reckon just a green-screen and a nice looking background would be sufficient. A virtual studio would just be too much trouble for all the people with green screens. Sam

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Fwd: Wikinews internationalization
by bawolff 19 Nov '07

19 Nov '07

I'm not sure if this alreayd got here o not. Terinjokes asked me to forward. -bawolff ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <terinjokes(a)gmail.com> Date: Nov 16, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews internationalization To: bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com, Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> you can add/update using phpmyadmin... i'll try to jump on IRC soon to help out On 11/16/07, bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Have you tried emailing Terinjokes? (I think i have his email > somewhere if you need it). > > -bawolff > On Nov 16, 2007 3:23 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote: > > I'm not totally sure which are the most active Wikinews communities, > offhand > > I believe the Polish Wikinews does quite well. > > > > Where I oppose Adambro's stance is I think we should try and focus on > > getting at least one or two contributors from non-English sites to do a > > little work on en. and build a degree of trust. This becomes a point of > > contact for finding out details like how many regular contributors, and > the > > provision of a summary of any candidate who wants accreditation. > > > > Assuming Milos' accreditation request goes through we'll end up likely > > setting up scoop-sr(a)wikinewsie.org, I won't be able to read that so in > this > > instance it is perhaps better to add non-accredited addresses to the > > forwarding so we're not looking at a single person being the contact for a > > language edition. > > > > As a related issue... With Terinjokes gone I have no easy way to update > the > > accredited reporters on http://www.wikinewsie.org. The details are in an > SQL > > database, I managed to remove Ed Brown via the management console, but I > > really need a form with the db password prompted for to add/edit entries. > > I'm the only one with a profile up and that is bad. > > > > > > > > Brian McNeil > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic > > > > Sent: 16 November 2007 11:07 > > To: Wikinews mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews internationalization > > > > I want to make two related points before responses to the particular > ideas. > > > > The first one is related to the size of the projects. Wikinews > > communities will be much larger in the future. If everything goes > > straight forward, it is reasonable to suppose that Wikinews community > > will be larger then Wikipedian in the next 10 or 20 years. Simply, > > while work on encyclopedia will require more and more specific > > knowledge and skills, work as journalist will require more or less the > > same knowledge and the same skills. However, community which is 10% of > > Wikipedian community size is very large. > > > > The only body which is able to coordinate work on Wikipedias is WMF > > and this is a Wikipedian problem. WMF's target is not content, but > > housekeeping. There is no way how to impose to different projects even > > some basic principles like NPOV is. > > > > Because of that cooperation on Wikinews wide level is not only a > > matter of small communities, but it is a matter of thinking about the > > future. Wikinews community has to be able to say that some language > > project is not going in the right way as well as it has to be able to > > make some changes to the particular project. This means that, for > > example, there should be one policy for administrators, one policy for > > dealing with problematic users, one policy for giving and revoking > > accreditations, one organization (so, yes, one "Wikinews Foundation", > > not separate organizations in different countries, but > > chapters/offices strongly connected between themselves). > > > > In relation with that I want to say that Adambro's comment at the > > section for my candidacy for accreditation [1] has a lot of sense: > > "[...] I appreciate that you have contributions in English which could > > be helpful in forming an opinion of you but not all users who come > > here from other languages seeking accreditation will have this and so > > I must continue to oppose on the basis that I don't think the English > > community should, or is really in a position to, assess these users to > > an appropriate level." > > > > It is not only a matter of en.wn community, but a matter of general > > Wikinews community. How can I know that one Thai contributor is a > > valid one when I don't know a word of Thai? Or would another Serbian > > contributor would get accreditation only because they are bureaucrat > > on sr.wn and I said that they should get it (I really have only good > > words for both of other contributors)? > > > > But, if not, it would mean that the whole Serbia would be left with > > only one accreditation for a long time; or that Thai Wikinews wouldn't > > have any accredited reporter for a long time. This, also, means that, > > for example, Italian Wikinewsians will try to make their own > > organization, which would be the beginning of the situation which we > > have on Wikipedia: factionized community at the lines of the language > > borders. > > > > So, we need to find some solution. And here are some of my (new and > > old) ideas for doing so: > > > > - We should start to write Wikinews-wide policies. Of course, such > > policies should be reasonable and they should leave a space for > > projects autonomies in the future. They should lead a community from > > its beginnings to the time when it is enough mature to function > > autonomously. > > > > - What is necessary for one contributor to become a recognized one? > > Writing on English Wikinews or English Wikipedia? It may be one of the > > solutions, but as far as I am able to see, there are some good machine > > translation engines, like es-en is. Maybe we should recognize such > > languages and give the opportunity to the people who are contributing > > in those languages? It is not perfect, but it is one part of the > > solution. > > > > - There are also other things which may prove someone's work, the most > > notable are related to previous Wikimedian work. And we should write > > somewhere those particular solutions. > > > > On 11/15/07, bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Perhaps we should also start some page on meta to coordinate > > > inter-language stuff (in the past though such things have died > > > quickly) > > > > We should try again :) > > > > > Maybe have each wiki write sort of reports (translated by google > > > translater?) every so often (~once every couple of months, but just > > > short little things, couple paragraphs at most. nothing like > > > Eloquence's state of the wiki.) describinbg what local events that > > > have happened, what successes the wiki has had of recent, what > > > pitfalls/mistakes they have made, just general thoughts of general > > > wikilife so we're all on the same page. > > > > Yes. It may be a good idea. May we say that we would do that quarterly > > and the first one at the and of January? > > > > On Nov 14, 2007 5:23 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote: > > > I agree, each language Wikinews is a relatively small community. We need > > to > > > work cross-wiki on things like weather, oil prices, and other standard > > > automated news website stuff. Bots that do things like create new day > > > category pages should be moved over to the toolserver and set up to > cover > > > all language variants and appropriate interwiki links. > > > > Hm. In the next couple of days I'll start a page on Meta about this > > issue. For the beginning, we need to see which bots (and other > > programs) are working and with what purpose. > > > > > Craig Spurrier is currently drawing up plans to propose a Wikinews > > > Foundation (name not decided). This will be purposed with the task of > > > standing behind the reporters, verifying credentials, and so on. If that > > > comes to fruition, I'll likely hand over the wikinewsie.org domain to > the > > > org. > > > > I saw this at foundation-l a month or two ago and I was wandering what > > is going on with that. It is good to hear that it is going on well. > > > > [1] - > > > http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews%3AAccreditation_requests&d > > iff=522591&oldid=522490 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikinews-l mailing list > > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikinews-l mailing list > > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l > > > > > > -- > - Brian > Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85 > million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikinews-l mailing list > Wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l > -- #Terin

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Re: [Wikinews-l] [Ticket#2007111910011973] [Press Release] Free Software Writers Want Iliad to Respect their Licence
by Wikinews Information Team 19 Nov '07

19 Nov '07

NOTE! Permission has been granted to forward this to the list from OTRS. Initial email from Xavier will follow, good OR opportunity for anyone who knows about IPtables/Busybox. Short synopsis is a French company isn't honouring GPL terms. Yours sincerely, Brian McNeil -- Wikinews - http://en.wikinews.org --- Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, you may contact the site operators at <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>. ---- Forwarded message from Xavier Antoviaque <xavier(a)antoviaque.org> --- From: Xavier Antoviaque <xavier(a)antoviaque.org> To: Wikinews Information Team <wikinews(a)wikimedia.org> Cc: xavier(a)antoviaque.org Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007111910011973] [Press Release] Free Software Writers Want Iliad to Respect their Licence Date: 2007-11-19 16:46:06 > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:23:57 +0000 > Wikinews Information Team <wikinews(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Normally emails to OTRS (our email enquiry system) are confidential. > > May I forward your story on to the wikinews mailing list? > > Sure. > > > I'd also appreciate if you have contact details for the people > > involved, i.e. the software authors and Iliad - if they have a press > > contact. > > Here are their emails, if you want to write to them: > > Harald Welete (iptables): laforge<at>gpl-violations.org > Rob Landley (Busybox): rob<at>landley.net > Erik Andersen (Busybox): andersen<at>codepoet.org > > However, please consider that they are busy, especially Harald, so let > me know if I can help you directly. > > About contacting Iliad, you should be able to contact Xavier Niel, > Iliad's main shareholder at the following email: xniel(a)corp.free.fr > > -- > Xavier. > > ---- End forwarded message ---

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Wikinews internationalization
by Milos Rancic 16 Nov '07

16 Nov '07

I think that Wikinews is small enough that it may avoid Wikipedia mistakes. The biggest one is Wikipedia's communities separation to language projects. So, I suggest next policies: - One body at the organizational level. For example, wikinewsie.org should be a matter of all Wikinewsians; accreditations should be Wikinews-wide, not en.wn only; if there are offices in other parts of the world, they should function as offices of any other news agency. - The same policies. From basic ones (like NPOV is) via different procedures to, ideally, one place for voting for project admins. - The same methods at the technical level. If we have some bot for currency exchange rates, it should work all over the projects, not only on one. There are a lot of bad things which may be avoided if we are functioning as one community, not as separate, language based communities.

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