I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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That’s so interesting! Thanks for sharing joe... really curious how they are using Wikidata for this and where they want to go.
I wasn’t able to make it to the event the other Monday when Lane was in town ... I was bummed to have missed you Lane! ... but maybe we should sch a informal Cascadia meet up at Allegra soon? Would be interested to hear what people are thinking about..working on.
Also would like to invite the Jacob Lawrence team to join and librarians I’ve connected with in the area ...
And - also There’s an upcoming editing event at Jacob Lawrence gallery - join! Saturday May 12, 1-5p
https://www.facebook.com/events/1690413661048035??ti=ia
M
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On Apr 24, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Morgan jonnymorgan.esq@gmail.com wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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I look forward to meeting with you (and anyone you've networked to!).
Basically, they are trying to organize metadata about the video & audio recordings they will be doing. Video & audio is destined for Commons, metadata for Wikidata, transcriptions for WikiSource, and we hope this will all be deemed citable by Wikipedia; certainly by some Wikipedias, though the English one may refuse to see this as citable.
We already hashed our a lot last night. Even for in illiterate contributor we can sort out identity and permission by sending a video clip to OTRS where they agree that they have no interest in any intellectual property rights beyond attribution and personality rights. The only problem we see there is whether you can grant a license orally. Felix is sure that in Ghana you can, if it's recorded (he described a pretty specific process); might be tricky in some other countries. Once the rights issue is solved, the Commons end is easy: way withing Commons' scope. But working out exactly what has to be tracked in the metadata and how to model it remains open-ended. They had tried and discovered they were out of their depth.
JM
On 4/25/2018 7:49 AM, Monika Sengul-Jones wrote:
That’s so interesting! Thanks for sharing joe... really curious how they are using Wikidata for this and where they want to go.
I wasn’t able to make it to the event the other Monday when Lane was in town ... I was bummed to have missed you Lane! ... but maybe we should sch a informal Cascadia meet up at Allegra soon? Would be interested to hear what people are thinking about..working on.
Also would like to invite the Jacob Lawrence team to join and librarians I’ve connected with in the area ...
And - also There’s an upcoming editing event at Jacob Lawrence gallery - join! Saturday May 12, 1-5p
https://www.facebook.com/events/1690413661048035??ti=ia
M
Sent from my mobile phone possibly using voice control, please pardon errors
On Apr 24, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Morgan jonnymorgan.esq@gmail.com wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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Felix already has Seko (and others) from Whose Knowledge on board. They've discussed in the abstract what metadata is needed, but I don't get the impression that the actual data modeling skills are there yet. Also, from what Seko said during the conference, she's also still struggling with how to get this stuff into Wikipedia in a way that will stick. She talked about re-traumatization (maybe too strong a word, but hers) when Dalits wrote articles and had them subsequently deleted.
These groups are way ahead of us in terms of engaging with indigenous and ethnic populations, but I think we'd be ahead on data modeling almost from the get-go.
There's a lot to talk about here, right now I'm more interested in who might be on board to work on this than trying to run it all through in emails, which often can be rather ephemeral. I hope that's OK.
JM
On 4/25/2018 4:23 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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Hey all--academic librarian previously in open data in Cambodia, and new to this group. Really appreciate the shout-out about the Jacob Lawrence event. I will try to make that.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
Felix already has Seko (and others) from Whose Knowledge on board. They've discussed in the abstract what metadata is needed, but I don't get the impression that the actual data modeling skills are there yet. Also, from what Seko said during the conference, she's also still struggling with how to get this stuff into Wikipedia in a way that will stick. She talked about re-traumatization (maybe too strong a word, but hers) when Dalits wrote articles and had them subsequently deleted.
These groups are way ahead of us in terms of engaging with indigenous and ethnic populations, but I think we'd be ahead on data modeling almost from the get-go.
There's a lot to talk about here, right now I'm more interested in who might be on board to work on this than trying to run it all through in emails, which often can be rather ephemeral. I hope that's OK.
JM
On 4/25/2018 4:23 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them that I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested in helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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Welcome, Greg!
Joe: just to close the loop, yep I agree this is important. I can't help out on this project right now, but if you are able to organize a collaboration I may be able to help out at a later date.
Jonathan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Greg Bem gregbem@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all--academic librarian previously in open data in Cambodia, and new to this group. Really appreciate the shout-out about the Jacob Lawrence event. I will try to make that.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net wrote:
Felix already has Seko (and others) from Whose Knowledge on board.
They've
discussed in the abstract what metadata is needed, but I don't get the impression that the actual data modeling skills are there yet. Also, from what Seko said during the conference, she's also still struggling with
how
to get this stuff into Wikipedia in a way that will stick. She talked
about
re-traumatization (maybe too strong a word, but hers) when Dalits wrote articles and had them subsequently deleted.
These groups are way ahead of us in terms of engaging with indigenous and ethnic populations, but I think we'd be ahead on data modeling almost
from
the get-go.
There's a lot to talk about here, right now I'm more interested in who might be on board to work on this than trying to run it all through in emails, which often can be rather ephemeral. I hope that's OK.
JM
On 4/25/2018 4:23 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net
wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty far along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them
that
I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested
in
helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us locally as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail from us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want to track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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Hi Greg! Hope to meet at the Jake event! Monika
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Morgan jonnymorgan.esq@gmail.com wrote:
Welcome, Greg!
Joe: just to close the loop, yep I agree this is important. I can't help out on this project right now, but if you are able to organize a collaboration I may be able to help out at a later date.
Jonathan
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Greg Bem gregbem@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all--academic librarian previously in open data in Cambodia, and new
to
this group. Really appreciate the shout-out about the Jacob Lawrence
event.
I will try to make that.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net
wrote:
Felix already has Seko (and others) from Whose Knowledge on board.
They've
discussed in the abstract what metadata is needed, but I don't get the impression that the actual data modeling skills are there yet. Also,
from
what Seko said during the conference, she's also still struggling with
how
to get this stuff into Wikipedia in a way that will stick. She talked
about
re-traumatization (maybe too strong a word, but hers) when Dalits wrote articles and had them subsequently deleted.
These groups are way ahead of us in terms of engaging with indigenous
and
ethnic populations, but I think we'd be ahead on data modeling almost
from
the get-go.
There's a lot to talk about here, right now I'm more interested in who might be on board to work on this than trying to run it all through in emails, which often can be rather ephemeral. I hope that's OK.
JM
On 4/25/2018 4:23 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote:
Might be a project that Whose Knowledge https://whoseknowledge.org/ (started by a couple of WMF ex-pats) is interested in supporting? They don't have a lot of technical resources of their own, but are probably connected with the right networks.
- J
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Joe Mabel jmabel@speakeasy.net
wrote:
I talked this evening with Felix Nartey (
/Felix_Nartey) from Ghana and it looks like their group are pretty
far
along in arranging to do some orally-based work with people from indigenous cultures there. However, the want to use Wikidata to track their content, and on data modeling they are very much just beginners. I told them
that
I suspect I am not the only Cascadia Wikimedian who would be interested
in
helping them work out a schema to model the data, since several of us have relevant skills. This might eventually also be of benefit to us
locally
as well, for cultural stuff with ethic groups and tribes/nations in our geographic area. Not sure all of what this will ultimately entail
from
us, but Felix seems rock-solid, so we'd have a strong collaborator on the other end: I'm pretty sure they can sort out most of what data they'd want
to
track, and we'd just have to devise a schema.
Are there others in Cascadia besides just me who'd be interested in taking this on? Anyone know someone not yet a Wikimedian (or not all that active) who might find this interesting?
JM
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