Hi all,
As mentioned on the Education mailing list, some thematic organizations have already, or will soon, produce training materials for VisualEditor in a variety of languages. Cascadia Wikimedians needs at least a lesson plan for our workshops in April, so I/we will produce materials in English, probably in video form that includes two major sections: about Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to edit Wikipedia with VisualEditor. My hope is to produce a 30 to 60 minute video that can get new editors to a basic level of Wikipedia competence in one hour including competence with talk pages, notability, copyright, plagarism, conflict of interest, and deletion discussions. I also hope that new editors will feel excited to participate in the community when they finish watching the video. Stay tuned for further developments.
If other English speaking Wikimedians are interested in helping with the production then please email me off list.
Thanks,
Pine
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
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2015-03-14 23:32 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
Hi all,
As mentioned on the Education mailing list, some thematic organizations have already, or will soon, produce training materials for VisualEditor in a variety of languages. Cascadia Wikimedians needs at least a lesson plan for our workshops in April, so I/we will produce materials in English, probably in video form that includes two major sections: about Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to edit Wikipedia with VisualEditor. My hope is to produce a 30 to 60 minute video that can get new editors to a basic level of Wikipedia competence in one hour including competence with talk pages, notability, copyright, plagarism, conflict of interest, and deletion discussions. I also hope that new editors will feel excited to participate in the community when they finish watching the video. Stay tuned for further developments.
If other English speaking Wikimedians are interested in helping with the production then please email me off list.
Thanks,
Pine
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
Strong +1. The shorter a video is, the more people will watch/listen to it. I'd recommend 30-90 seconds as the ideal target, with ~4 minutes as the second ideal target, and ~10 minutes as the maximum. Anything longer than that, could be broken up into chunks, and should be, Because: A) less "time-commitment" for viewers (it can kindle the enthusiasm of clicking "oh, just one more!", rather than "oh god, another entire hour-at-once!"), B) it allows multiple shorter videos to be embedded in a page of text,* C) it has much more potential over the years ahead, for us (*all*) to update/improve/adapt/fork/subtitle/remix/etc each *segment* of it, in every wiki that it is wanted.
The text of the accompanying page could be: * A concise version of the video(s), in bulletform list. I.e. "Slide-show presentation" style. With just keywords, and the clickable links to whatever the video is describing. * Or, a match of the video(s) content, for people without video-options * Or, a more elaborate/extensive/complete version of the video(s) content. E.g. our full Policy/Guideline/MoS/Essay/Help/etc pages themselves!
(Re: screencasts, I replied to the earlier thread related to this, but didn't CC-all, sorry! See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html )
--quiddity
Pine,
I would like to help. I think that quiddity's suggestions are good. Perhaps we should tackle individual segments of how to edit with VE rather than the whole kit & caboodle. More of a just-in-time approach to VE help.
That said, I have no real experience with VE as I tend to work directly with Wiki markup. Bringing a beginner's mind to VE might be a good thing.
I also do not have either a Chromebook or Linux systems that the tools suggested at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html use. Perhaps someone in the Seattle area who has a Linux PC can assist us.
Except for Saturday morning, I am available this coming weekend (although on-call) to start.
Yours, Peaceray
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:39 PM, quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
Strong +1. The shorter a video is, the more people will watch/listen to it. I'd recommend 30-90 seconds as the ideal target, with ~4 minutes as the second ideal target, and ~10 minutes as the maximum. Anything longer than that, could be broken up into chunks, and should be, Because: A) less "time-commitment" for viewers (it can kindle the enthusiasm of clicking "oh, just one more!", rather than "oh god, another entire hour-at-once!"), B) it allows multiple shorter videos to be embedded in a page of text,* C) it has much more potential over the years ahead, for us (*all*) to update/improve/adapt/fork/subtitle/remix/etc each *segment* of it, in every wiki that it is wanted.
The text of the accompanying page could be:
- A concise version of the video(s), in bulletform list. I.e. "Slide-show
presentation" style. With just keywords, and the clickable links to whatever the video is describing.
- Or, a match of the video(s) content, for people without video-options
- Or, a more elaborate/extensive/complete version of the video(s) content.
E.g. our full Policy/Guideline/MoS/Essay/Help/etc pages themselves!
(Re: screencasts, I replied to the earlier thread related to this, but didn't CC-all, sorry! See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html )
--quiddity
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Addendum: Maybe a Windoze screencasting is a possibility after all. After looking at Comparison of screencasting software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software, I suggest we take a look at Freeseer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeseer. It generates Ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg, is published by FOSSLC, has a GPL v3 license, & works on Linux, OS X, & Windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Raymond Leonard < raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
Pine,
I would like to help. I think that quiddity's suggestions are good. Perhaps we should tackle individual segments of how to edit with VE rather than the whole kit & caboodle. More of a just-in-time approach to VE help.
That said, I have no real experience with VE as I tend to work directly with Wiki markup. Bringing a beginner's mind to VE might be a good thing.
I also do not have either a Chromebook or Linux systems that the tools suggested at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html use. Perhaps someone in the Seattle area who has a Linux PC can assist us.
Except for Saturday morning, I am available this coming weekend (although on-call) to start.
Yours, Peaceray
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:39 PM, quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
Strong +1. The shorter a video is, the more people will watch/listen to it. I'd recommend 30-90 seconds as the ideal target, with ~4 minutes as the second ideal target, and ~10 minutes as the maximum. Anything longer than that, could be broken up into chunks, and should be, Because: A) less "time-commitment" for viewers (it can kindle the enthusiasm of clicking "oh, just one more!", rather than "oh god, another entire hour-at-once!"), B) it allows multiple shorter videos to be embedded in a page of text,* C) it has much more potential over the years ahead, for us (*all*) to update/improve/adapt/fork/subtitle/remix/etc each *segment* of it, in every wiki that it is wanted.
The text of the accompanying page could be:
- A concise version of the video(s), in bulletform list. I.e. "Slide-show
presentation" style. With just keywords, and the clickable links to whatever the video is describing.
- Or, a match of the video(s) content, for people without video-options
- Or, a more elaborate/extensive/complete version of the video(s)
content. E.g. our full Policy/Guideline/MoS/Essay/Help/etc pages themselves!
(Re: screencasts, I replied to the earlier thread related to this, but didn't CC-all, sorry! See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html )
--quiddity
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Hi Peaceray,
Thanks for volunteering. We already have a meetup scheduled for March 24, so could we work on this at that time? In the meantime we can test screencasting tools.
Also, does anyone have a copy of Premiere that we can borrow? I've tried several open source video editors and all of them were buggy, slow, or difficult to use.
Thanks, Pine On Mar 14, 2015 8:59 PM, "Raymond Leonard" raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com wrote:
Addendum: Maybe a Windoze screencasting is a possibility after all. After looking at Comparison of screencasting software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software, I suggest we take a look at Freeseer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeseer. It generates Ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg, is published by FOSSLC, has a GPL v3 license, & works on Linux, OS X, & Windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Raymond Leonard < raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com> wrote:
Pine,
I would like to help. I think that quiddity's suggestions are good. Perhaps we should tackle individual segments of how to edit with VE rather than the whole kit & caboodle. More of a just-in-time approach to VE help.
That said, I have no real experience with VE as I tend to work directly with Wiki markup. Bringing a beginner's mind to VE might be a good thing.
I also do not have either a Chromebook or Linux systems that the tools suggested at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html use. Perhaps someone in the Seattle area who has a Linux PC can assist us.
Except for Saturday morning, I am available this coming weekend (although on-call) to start.
Yours, Peaceray
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:39 PM, quiddity pandiculation@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
Strong +1. The shorter a video is, the more people will watch/listen to it. I'd recommend 30-90 seconds as the ideal target, with ~4 minutes as the second ideal target, and ~10 minutes as the maximum. Anything longer than that, could be broken up into chunks, and should be, Because: A) less "time-commitment" for viewers (it can kindle the enthusiasm of clicking "oh, just one more!", rather than "oh god, another entire hour-at-once!"), B) it allows multiple shorter videos to be embedded in a page of text,* C) it has much more potential over the years ahead, for us (*all*) to update/improve/adapt/fork/subtitle/remix/etc each *segment* of it, in every wiki that it is wanted.
The text of the accompanying page could be:
- A concise version of the video(s), in bulletform list. I.e.
"Slide-show presentation" style. With just keywords, and the clickable links to whatever the video is describing.
- Or, a match of the video(s) content, for people without video-options
- Or, a more elaborate/extensive/complete version of the video(s)
content. E.g. our full Policy/Guideline/MoS/Essay/Help/etc pages themselves!
(Re: screencasts, I replied to the earlier thread related to this, but didn't CC-all, sorry! See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html )
--quiddity
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Yes, we can work on this on Tuesday, 3/24.
On Sunday, March 15, 2015, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Peaceray,
Thanks for volunteering. We already have a meetup scheduled for March 24, so could we work on this at that time? In the meantime we can test screencasting tools.
Also, does anyone have a copy of Premiere that we can borrow? I've tried several open source video editors and all of them were buggy, slow, or difficult to use.
Thanks, Pine On Mar 14, 2015 8:59 PM, "Raymond Leonard" <raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com');> wrote:
Addendum: Maybe a Windoze screencasting is a possibility after all. After looking at Comparison of screencasting software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software, I suggest we take a look at Freeseer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeseer. It generates Ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg, is published by FOSSLC, has a GPL v3 license, & works on Linux, OS X, & Windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Raymond Leonard < raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymond.f.leonard.jr@gmail.com');> wrote:
Pine,
I would like to help. I think that quiddity's suggestions are good. Perhaps we should tackle individual segments of how to edit with VE rather than the whole kit & caboodle. More of a just-in-time approach to VE help.
That said, I have no real experience with VE as I tend to work directly with Wiki markup. Bringing a beginner's mind to VE might be a good thing.
I also do not have either a Chromebook or Linux systems that the tools suggested at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html use. Perhaps someone in the Seattle area who has a Linux PC can assist us.
Except for Saturday morning, I am available this coming weekend (although on-call) to start.
Yours, Peaceray
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:39 PM, quiddity <pandiculation@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pandiculation@gmail.com');> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jan.ainali@wikimedia.se');> wrote:
Just an idea, for the part on how to edit with VisualEditor, make several short videos with distinct themes instead of one long video covering it all. Not only will it be easier to record and edit, it will be easier to reuse if you a question like question "How do I add a source with VE?" and you can just point them to that video rather than handing them a 30 minute video and trying to remember at what time that part starts.
Strong +1. The shorter a video is, the more people will watch/listen to it. I'd recommend 30-90 seconds as the ideal target, with ~4 minutes as the second ideal target, and ~10 minutes as the maximum. Anything longer than that, could be broken up into chunks, and should be, Because: A) less "time-commitment" for viewers (it can kindle the enthusiasm of clicking "oh, just one more!", rather than "oh god, another entire hour-at-once!"), B) it allows multiple shorter videos to be embedded in a page of text,* C) it has much more potential over the years ahead, for us (*all*) to update/improve/adapt/fork/subtitle/remix/etc each *segment* of it, in every wiki that it is wanted.
The text of the accompanying page could be:
- A concise version of the video(s), in bulletform list. I.e.
"Slide-show presentation" style. With just keywords, and the clickable links to whatever the video is describing.
- Or, a match of the video(s) content, for people without video-options
- Or, a more elaborate/extensive/complete version of the video(s)
content. E.g. our full Policy/Guideline/MoS/Essay/Help/etc pages themselves!
(Re: screencasts, I replied to the earlier thread related to this, but didn't CC-all, sorry! See https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2015-March/001273.html )
--quiddity
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