Hello everybody,
I post nothing since the begining of the mail list, but I read all your mails and tougth about that. Sorry for my English by the way, I understand very well but I'm a little bit poor when it's time to ''produce'' something an English...
I prefer the option number 2. But we have to be realistic : we need money for the foundation. Because of that, I think we should take option number 3. Option number 1 seems to be a bad idea, because if all the Wikipedia projects are free, why the foundation should be entirely not free?
Have a nice day,
Guillaume Paradis.
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- [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] (Ray Saintonge)
- Re: [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] (Padraic Ryan)
---------- Message transféré ---------- From: Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net To: Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] Again! My reply to the list went to only one person!
Delphine Ménard wrote:
On 4/18/07, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I have no problem with the Foundation's policy that a national chapter should be membership based, but just who will be a member for legal purposes still needs to be defined. In some respects there is a romantic attraction to having every Canadian who contributes to either the English or French Wikipedia treated as a member, but that would be totally impractical. Membership can be based on making a positive statement that one wants to become a member, perhaps accompanied by a membership fee; this would also need to be accompanied by a section about when memberships terminate.
Maybe a little insight as to what others chapters do may help here. I am not familiar with Canadian law, so I can't say that this fits, but here are the bulk of membership options that have been developped by other chapters.
- membership tied to the payment of a member fee
Anyone who wishes to join can join => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership tied to the activity in the Wikimedia projects
Only people with a record of activity in the projects can join. Others may have to be presented to the board for acceptation. => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership is broken down in different categories depending on the
chapter
=> voting (active) members =>supporting members (pay a fee but don't vote) => honorary members (pay a greater fee and vote, or don't vote) => members that are companies (may vote or not vote)
members each need to be approved by the board
members may be refused by the board (veto option)
Almost all of the existing structures have an elected board, means of election vary depending on the status adopted.
Thanks for the response. Though I find that there are practical difficulties with No. 2, I can basically live with any of these options.
It would be very easy for me to pick one of these, write the bylaws, and do everything else to get the chapter incorporated. The problem is getting others to participate by saying which option they prefer and why. I know from past experience with other organizations that whenever the topic of writing bylaws comes up people can't run away fast enough.
It comes down to how long does one wait for responses before just going ahead and doing it, and letting them squawk about bad by-laws later.
Ec
---------- Message transféré ---------- From: "Padraic Ryan" padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com To: Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:20:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] My two cents: members should meet (1) and (2) - fee payment and involvement with a Wikimedia project. On the one hand, some kind of off-line interaction to demonstrate commitment is a good idea (it could be nominal, something like $10), but on the other hand, members should be people involved with WM projects. Maybe a minimum edit count, like with the Board elections?
Padraic
On 19/04/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Again! My reply to the list went to only one person!
Delphine Ménard wrote:
On 4/18/07, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I have no problem with the Foundation's policy that a national chapter should be membership based, but just who will be a member for legal purposes still needs to be defined. In some respects there is a romantic attraction to having every Canadian who contributes to either the English or French Wikipedia treated as a member, but that would be totally impractical. Membership can be based on making a positive statement that one wants to become a member, perhaps accompanied by a membership fee; this would also need to be accompanied by a section about when memberships terminate.
Maybe a little insight as to what others chapters do may help here. I am not familiar with Canadian law, so I can't say that this fits, but here are the bulk of membership options that have been developped by other chapters.
- membership tied to the payment of a member fee
Anyone who wishes to join can join => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership tied to the activity in the Wikimedia projects
Only people with a record of activity in the projects can join. Others may have to be presented to the board for acceptation. => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership is broken down in different categories depending on the
chapter
=> voting (active) members =>supporting members (pay a fee but don't vote) => honorary members (pay a greater fee and vote, or don't vote) => members that are companies (may vote or not vote)
members each need to be approved by the board
members may be refused by the board (veto option)
Almost all of the existing structures have an elected board, means of election vary depending on the status adopted.
Thanks for the response. Though I find that there are practical difficulties with No. 2, I can basically live with any of these options.
It would be very easy for me to pick one of these, write the bylaws, and do everything else to get the chapter incorporated. The problem is getting others to participate by saying which option they prefer and why. I know from past experience with other organizations that whenever the topic of writing bylaws comes up people can't run away fast enough.
It comes down to how long does one wait for responses before just going ahead and doing it, and letting them squawk about bad by-laws later.
Ec
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Merci Guillaume :-)
Just to clarify something. My introductory sentence was misleading. The options I listed are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they are rather a set of options that have been developed in other chapters.
As such, although for example 1 and 2 could be mutually exclusive, 1 and 3 or 2 and 3 could be applied together, and so on.
====
Juste pour clarifier un peu. Ma phrase d'introduction était assez peu claire. Les options que j'ai listées ne se contredisent pas forcément, c'est une liste des options qui ont été développées par les différents chapters.
Par exemple, alors que 1 et 2 pourraient être contradictoires, 1 et 3 ou 2 et 3 peuvent être appliquées en même temps et ainsi de suite.
Delphine
On 4/20/07, Guillaume Paradis paradis.g@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everybody,
I post nothing since the begining of the mail list, but I read all your mails and tougth about that. Sorry for my English by the way, I understand very well but I'm a little bit poor when it's time to ''produce'' something an English...
I prefer the option number 2. But we have to be realistic : we need money for the foundation. Because of that, I think we should take option number 3. Option number 1 seems to be a bad idea, because if all the Wikipedia projects are free, why the foundation should be entirely not free?
Have a nice day,
Guillaume Paradis.
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Today's Topics:
- [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] (Ray Saintonge)
- Re: [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] (Padraic Ryan)
---------- Message transféré ---------- From: Ray Saintonge < saintonge@telus.net> To: Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] Again! My reply to the list went to only one person!
Delphine Ménard wrote:
On 4/18/07, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I have no problem with the Foundation's policy that a national chapter should be membership based, but just who will be a member for legal purposes still needs to be defined. In some respects there is a romantic attraction to having every Canadian who contributes to either the English or French Wikipedia treated as a member, but that would be totally impractical. Membership can be based on making a positive statement that one wants to become a member, perhaps accompanied by a membership fee; this would also need to be accompanied by a section about when memberships terminate.
Maybe a little insight as to what others chapters do may help here. I am not familiar with Canadian law, so I can't say that this fits, but here are the bulk of membership options that have been developped by other chapters.
- membership tied to the payment of a member fee
Anyone who wishes to join can join => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership tied to the activity in the Wikimedia projects
Only people with a record of activity in the projects can join. Others may have to be presented to the board for acceptation. => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership is broken down in different categories depending on the
chapter
=> voting (active) members =>supporting members (pay a fee but don't vote) => honorary members (pay a greater fee and vote, or don't vote) => members that are companies (may vote or not vote)
members each need to be approved by the board
members may be refused by the board (veto option)
Almost all of the existing structures have an elected board, means of election vary depending on the status adopted.
Thanks for the response. Though I find that there are practical difficulties with No. 2, I can basically live with any of these options.
It would be very easy for me to pick one of these, write the bylaws, and do everything else to get the chapter incorporated. The problem is getting others to participate by saying which option they prefer and why. I know from past experience with other organizations that whenever the topic of writing bylaws comes up people can't run away fast enough.
It comes down to how long does one wait for responses before just going ahead and doing it, and letting them squawk about bad by-laws later.
Ec
---------- Message transféré ---------- From: "Padraic Ryan" padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com To: Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:20:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] [Fwd: Re: On the subject of members] My two cents: members should meet (1) and (2) - fee payment and involvement with a Wikimedia project. On the one hand, some kind of off-line interaction to demonstrate commitment is a good idea (it could be nominal, something like $10), but on the other hand, members should be people involved with WM projects. Maybe a minimum edit count, like with the Board elections?
Padraic
On 19/04/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Again! My reply to the list went to only one person!
Delphine Ménard wrote:
On 4/18/07, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I have no problem with the Foundation's policy that a national chapter should be membership based, but just who will be a member for legal purposes still needs to be defined. In some respects there is a romantic attraction to having every Canadian who contributes to either the English or French Wikipedia treated as a member, but that would be totally impractical. Membership can be based on making a positive statement that one wants to become a member, perhaps accompanied by a membership fee; this would also need to be accompanied by a section about when memberships terminate.
Maybe a little insight as to what others chapters do may help here. I am not familiar with Canadian law, so I can't say that this fits, but here are the bulk of membership options that have been developped by other chapters.
- membership tied to the payment of a member fee
Anyone who wishes to join can join => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership tied to the activity in the Wikimedia projects
Only people with a record of activity in the projects can join. Others may have to be presented to the board for acceptation. => members are given the right to vote in the General Assembly which elects the board
- membership is broken down in different categories depending on the
chapter
=> voting (active) members =>supporting members (pay a fee but don't vote) => honorary members (pay a greater fee and vote, or don't vote) => members that are companies (may vote or not vote)
members each need to be approved by the board
members may be refused by the board (veto option)
Almost all of the existing structures have an elected board, means of election vary depending on the status adopted.
Thanks for the response. Though I find that there are practical difficulties with No. 2, I can basically live with any of these options.
It would be very easy for me to pick one of these, write the bylaws, and do everything else to get the chapter incorporated. The problem is getting others to participate by saying which option they prefer and why. I know from past experience with other organizations that whenever the topic of writing bylaws comes up people can't run away fast enough.
It comes down to how long does one wait for responses before just going ahead and doing it, and letting them squawk about bad by-laws later.
Ec
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