Certainly I am one of those people who view by-law drafting as a tedious (but required) step, and look forward to gettign involved in the actual activities of the chapter. I really hope we can get things formally set up soon, because it will a lot easier to attract people to an exsisting organisation rather than a potential one.
Regards,
Tom[pw]
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:33:36 -0230 From: Jeffery Nichols arctic.gnome@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Happy Canada Day! / Bonne F?te du Canada! To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4A9A26F6-D684-4E32-84DF-980962C59E91@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are interested in helping but who don't like reading through the legalese of bylaws. As long as a couple of us keep at them, I bet we'll find a lot more people willing to do work once we actually start doing real-world work.
-Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)
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tom willis wrote:
Certainly I am one of those people who view by-law drafting as a tedious (but required) step, and look forward to gettign involved in the actual activities of the chapter. I really hope we can get things formally set up soon, because it will a lot easier to attract people to an exsisting organisation rather than a potential one.
There are really two stages to by-law drafting. In the first we try to get the ideas right; in the second we try to get the words right. Wide involvement is more important in the first than in the second. I think that the main ideas are mostly agreed upon, but a few, notably purposes, still need some work.
Once ideas are in place, a small group can work together to negotiate a best wording, that it presents to the potential membership for approval, either as a whole or in pieces. After that, and assuming everything accords with the law and the WMF, we have something that we can take to officialdom.
Ec
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:33:36 -0230 From: Jeffery Nichols arctic.gnome@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Happy Canada Day! / Bonne F?te du Canada! To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4A9A26F6-D684-4E32-84DF-980962C59E91@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are interested in helping but who don't like reading through the legalese of bylaws. As long as a couple of us keep at them, I bet we'll find a lot more people willing to do work once we actually start doing real-world work.
-Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)
It would absolutely be useful to have more input in our discussions about goals. Our existing mission statement is a good set of values, but the law needs to be more specific, so anyone with ideas about what we should say our short-term goals are, please go to the "How do we spend our money?" section of http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Canada/Proposed_by-laws . You don't have to write in legalese, just please give us your two cents. People that are more interested in long-term objectives of WMC can also go to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Potential_Projects and its talk page to discuss future projects. -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)
On 10-Jul-09, at 9:10 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
tom willis wrote:
Certainly I am one of those people who view by-law drafting as a tedious (but required) step, and look forward to gettign involved in the actual activities of the chapter. I really hope we can get things formally set up soon, because it will a lot easier to attract people to an exsisting organisation rather than a potential one.
There are really two stages to by-law drafting. In the first we try to get the ideas right; in the second we try to get the words right. Wide involvement is more important in the first than in the second. I think that the main ideas are mostly agreed upon, but a few, notably purposes, still need some work.
Once ideas are in place, a small group can work together to negotiate a best wording, that it presents to the potential membership for approval, either as a whole or in pieces. After that, and assuming everything accords with the law and the WMF, we have something that we can take to officialdom.
Ec
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:33:36 -0230 From: Jeffery Nichols arctic.gnome@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Happy Canada Day! / Bonne F?te du Canada! To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia- ca@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: 4A9A26F6-D684-4E32-84DF-980962C59E91@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are interested in helping but who don't like reading through the legalese of bylaws. As long as a couple of us keep at them, I bet we'll find a lot more people willing to do work once we actually start doing real-world work.
-Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)
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