I would advise against running again next year. For one, next year
won't be the Western Hemisphere's "turn", so right off the bad we
would be at a disadvantage. Plus if we wait for one more year,
hopefully WMC will have completed an initiative or two and will be
strong presence to support the bid.
-Jeff
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1. Re: Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
(Alan Walker)
2. Re: Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
(Geoffrey Plourde)
From: "Alan Walker" <fastalan(a)gmail.com>
Date: March 29, 2008 5:50:07 PM EDT (CA)
To: "Wikimedia Canada planning list" <wikimedia-
ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
Reply-To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
I think it is presumptuous to assume there is any punishment
rendered for attempting to win a bid. In respect to the jury
comment, it seems they are stating there was a lack of clarity on
the firmness of the offer of facilities for the University of Toronto.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Thats too bad. Move the bid site to another city? Also you could
probably have the results invalidated next year if they are
punishing cities for running.
----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Leung <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
I'm perplexed by this statement from the jury...
"However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger
organization overall. Additionally, much of the information in the
Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was unclear
how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto facilities
there was specifically for 2009."
While I agree most info are the same between the 2008 and 2009 bid,
we did add a lot more information. It sounds like they're trying to
compare whether our bid improved between 2008 and 2009. And it
sounds like they're punishing us for running in the bid twice in a
row. Next year it will be even more unlikely that we'll win the bid
even if we did significant improvement because Australia hasn't has
a chance to host it.
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:19 -0700
From: geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com
To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
Well then lets fix the problems.
----- Original Message ----
From: Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:34:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
If you'll read the e-mail by Phoebe that Nick forwarded, you'll see
exactly why BA won and some information on why CA didn't. :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Geoffrey Plourde
<geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
run for 2010 and find out why BA won.
----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Leung <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So are we going to run for 2010's? Or just call it quit?
Andrew
________________________________
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:43 -0500
> From: nicholasmoreau(a)gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
>
> So everybody is aware...
>
> Nick
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, "Wikimania general list (open
> subscription)" <wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> I was so excited about sending the announcement that I forgot to
> proofread the subject line! Oh well. Both *2008* AND *2009*
should be
> exciting conferences :)
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:44 AM, phoebe ayers
<phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce that Buenos Aires has been
selected as the
> > location for Wikimania 2009.
> >
> > The jury was particularly excited by a few parts of the
Buenos Aires
bid:
> > * A strong, organized team, with division of labor already
underway
> > and support from Wikimedia Argentina.
Many people contributed
to the
> > bid, with obvious enthusiasm for
organizing the conference
and quick
> > responses to inquiries.
> > * A detailed budget proposal and planning schedule. Many major
> > expenses are being covered by the provider. The total budget is
> > similar to Wikimania 2007's, including a larger travel
scholarship
> > fund, and they have provided detailed
charts ahead of time.
> > * A significant number of sponsors already lined up, with
some
already
> > confirmed. They hope to cover half the
accommodation and $60k in
> > travel scholarships, which will help to ease travel costs for
> > participants from far away.
> > * A solid venue : as with Toronto, this was situated within a
> > well-maintained cultural center in a major international
city, near
an
> > airline hub; culturally open, and an
international melting pot.
> > * Relaxed visa rules, and easy entry from South American
countries.
> > * Good Spanish-language media contacts,
with the promise of
outreach
> > to and the opportunity to work with the
Spanish-language
Wikimedia
> > communities.
> >
> > Toronto, the runner up, also provided a great bid. The jury was
> > especially excited by:
> > * Strong English-language press in the area, and media
experience
> > among the bid team
> > * A very accessible venue, especially for US/European attendees.
> > * An excellent venue : a university campus, with dorms
directly at
the
> > venue. As with Buenos Aires, it was
situated within a well-
maintained
> > cultural center in a major
international city, near an
airline hub;
> > culturally open, and an international
melting pot.
> > * Extensive budget accommodation in the dorms; with many
options for
> > casual social space.
> > * A dedicated bid team, with the hope of Wikimedia Canada
being
formed
> > in time to help coordinate.
> >
> > However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger
> > organization overall. Additionally, much of the information
in the
> > Toronto bid was carried over from
previous bids, and it was
unclear
> > how much of a commitment for the
University of Toronto
facilities
> > there was specifically for 2009.
> >
> > Brisbane and Karlsruhe also provided good bids. Brisbane in
particular
> > had an enthusiastic bid team and a
strong proposal, with
particularly
> > good local sponsorship opportunities;
though this was offset
by the
> > high travel costs for out-of-country
attendees. The jury felt
both
> > bids needed more detail (including
specifics about accommodation
> > options, and more detailed budget information) to be compelling.
> >
> > As in previous years, the relative accessibility of locations
was
> > extensively discussed. The jury
believes that it's important for
> > Wikimania to be accessible to as wide an audience as possible,
> > particularly to members of the Wikimedia community; the
relatively
> > high cost of travel to South America
from Europe and North
America was
> > one of the most significant drawbacks
we identified in the
Buenos
> > Aires bid—especially coming on the
heels of Taipei and
Alexandria.
> > Having said that, the jury believes
that the Buenos Aires bid
overcame
> > this drawback with its numerous
advantages, among those the
> > opportunity to hold the conference in a Spanish-speaking
locale, on a
> > new continent. We hope to receive
strong bids from easily
accessible
> > locations for 2010.
> >
> > Congratulations to the Buenos Aires team! Wikimania 2009
promises to
> > be an exciting and successful
conference.
> >
> > -- Phoebe Ayers, Cary Bass, James Forrester (non-voting jury
> > moderators), on behalf of the Wikimania 2009 Jury
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Jury
> >
>
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From: Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com>
Date: March 29, 2008 6:25:24 PM EDT (CA)
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
Reply-To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Well then, lets fix the bid and resubmit.
----- Original Message ----
From: Alan Walker <fastalan(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:50:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
I think it is presumptuous to assume there is any punishment
rendered for attempting to win a bid. In respect to the jury
comment, it seems they are stating there was a lack of clarity on
the firmness of the offer of facilities for the University of Toronto.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Thats too bad. Move the bid site to another city? Also you could
probably have the results invalidated next year if they are
punishing cities for running.
----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Leung <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
I'm perplexed by this statement from the jury...
"However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger
organization overall. Additionally, much of the information in the
Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was unclear
how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto facilities
there was specifically for 2009."
While I agree most info are the same between the 2008 and 2009 bid,
we did add a lot more information. It sounds like they're trying to
compare whether our bid improved between 2008 and 2009. And it
sounds like they're punishing us for running in the bid twice in a
row. Next year it will be even more unlikely that we'll win the bid
even if we did significant improvement because Australia hasn't has
a chance to host it.
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:19 -0700
From: geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com
To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
Well then lets fix the problems.
----- Original Message ----
From: Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:34:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania *2009*
If you'll read the e-mail by Phoebe that Nick forwarded, you'll see
exactly why BA won and some information on why CA didn't. :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Geoffrey Plourde
<geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
run for 2010 and find out why BA won.
----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Leung <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So are we going to run for 2010's? Or just call it quit?
Andrew
________________________________
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:43 -0500
> From: nicholasmoreau(a)gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
>
> So everybody is aware...
>
> Nick
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, "Wikimania general list (open
> subscription)" <wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> I was so excited about sending the announcement that I forgot to
> proofread the subject line! Oh well. Both *2008* AND *2009*
should be
> exciting conferences :)
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:44 AM, phoebe ayers
<phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > We are pleased to announce that Buenos Aires has been
selected as the
> > location for Wikimania 2009.
> >
> > The jury was particularly excited by a few parts of the
Buenos Aires
bid:
> > * A strong, organized team, with division of labor already
underway
> > and support from Wikimedia Argentina.
Many people contributed
to the
> > bid, with obvious enthusiasm for
organizing the conference
and quick
> > responses to inquiries.
> > * A detailed budget proposal and planning schedule. Many major
> > expenses are being covered by the provider. The total budget is
> > similar to Wikimania 2007's, including a larger travel
scholarship
> > fund, and they have provided detailed
charts ahead of time.
> > * A significant number of sponsors already lined up, with
some
already
> > confirmed. They hope to cover half the
accommodation and $60k in
> > travel scholarships, which will help to ease travel costs for
> > participants from far away.
> > * A solid venue : as with Toronto, this was situated within a
> > well-maintained cultural center in a major international
city, near
an
> > airline hub; culturally open, and an
international melting pot.
> > * Relaxed visa rules, and easy entry from South American
countries.
> > * Good Spanish-language media contacts,
with the promise of
outreach
> > to and the opportunity to work with the
Spanish-language
Wikimedia
> > communities.
> >
> > Toronto, the runner up, also provided a great bid. The jury was
> > especially excited by:
> > * Strong English-language press in the area, and media
experience
> > among the bid team
> > * A very accessible venue, especially for US/European attendees.
> > * An excellent venue : a university campus, with dorms
directly at
the
> > venue. As with Buenos Aires, it was
situated within a well-
maintained
> > cultural center in a major
international city, near an
airline hub;
> > culturally open, and an international
melting pot.
> > * Extensive budget accommodation in the dorms; with many
options for
> > casual social space.
> > * A dedicated bid team, with the hope of Wikimedia Canada
being
formed
> > in time to help coordinate.
> >
> > However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger
> > organization overall. Additionally, much of the information
in the
> > Toronto bid was carried over from
previous bids, and it was
unclear
> > how much of a commitment for the
University of Toronto
facilities
> > there was specifically for 2009.
> >
> > Brisbane and Karlsruhe also provided good bids. Brisbane in
particular
> > had an enthusiastic bid team and a
strong proposal, with
particularly
> > good local sponsorship opportunities;
though this was offset
by the
> > high travel costs for out-of-country
attendees. The jury felt
both
> > bids needed more detail (including
specifics about accommodation
> > options, and more detailed budget information) to be compelling.
> >
> > As in previous years, the relative accessibility of locations
was
> > extensively discussed. The jury
believes that it's important for
> > Wikimania to be accessible to as wide an audience as possible,
> > particularly to members of the Wikimedia community; the
relatively
> > high cost of travel to South America
from Europe and North
America was
> > one of the most significant drawbacks
we identified in the
Buenos
> > Aires bid—especially coming on the
heels of Taipei and
Alexandria.
> > Having said that, the jury believes
that the Buenos Aires bid
overcame
> > this drawback with its numerous
advantages, among those the
> > opportunity to hold the conference in a Spanish-speaking
locale, on a
> > new continent. We hope to receive
strong bids from easily
accessible
> > locations for 2010.
> >
> > Congratulations to the Buenos Aires team! Wikimania 2009
promises to
> > be an exciting and successful
conference.
> >
> > -- Phoebe Ayers, Cary Bass, James Forrester (non-voting jury
> > moderators), on behalf of the Wikimania 2009 Jury
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Jury
> >
>
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