I would advise against running again next year. For one, next year won't be the Western Hemisphere's "turn", so right off the bad we would be at a disadvantage. Plus if we wait for one more year, hopefully WMC will have completed an initiative or two and will be strong presence to support the bid. -Jeff
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From: "Alan Walker" fastalan@gmail.com Date: March 29, 2008 5:50:07 PM EDT (CA) To: "Wikimedia Canada planning list" <wikimedia- ca@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009* Reply-To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia- ca@lists.wikimedia.org>
I think it is presumptuous to assume there is any punishment rendered for attempting to win a bid. In respect to the jury comment, it seems they are stating there was a lack of clarity on the firmness of the offer of facilities for the University of Toronto.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote: Thats too bad. Move the bid site to another city? Also you could probably have the results invalidated next year if they are punishing cities for running.
----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Leung andrewcleung@hotmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
I'm perplexed by this statement from the jury...
"However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger organization overall. Additionally, much of the information in the Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was unclear how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto facilities there was specifically for 2009."
While I agree most info are the same between the 2008 and 2009 bid, we did add a lot more information. It sounds like they're trying to compare whether our bid improved between 2008 and 2009. And it sounds like they're punishing us for running in the bid twice in a row. Next year it will be even more unlikely that we'll win the bid even if we did significant improvement because Australia hasn't has a chance to host it.
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:19 -0700 From: geo.plrd@yahoo.com To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
Well then lets fix the problems.
----- Original Message ---- From: Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:34:54 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
If you'll read the e-mail by Phoebe that Nick forwarded, you'll see exactly why BA won and some information on why CA didn't. :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
run for 2010 and find out why BA won.
----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Leung andrewcleung@hotmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So are we going to run for 2010's? Or just call it quit?
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:43 -0500 From: nicholasmoreau@gmail.com To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So everybody is aware...
Nick
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009* To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org, "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
I was so excited about sending the announcement that I forgot to proofread the subject line! Oh well. Both *2008* AND *2009*
should be
exciting conferences :)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:44 AM, phoebe ayers
wrote:
All,
We are pleased to announce that Buenos Aires has been
selected as the
location for Wikimania 2009.
The jury was particularly excited by a few parts of the
Buenos Aires
bid:
- A strong, organized team, with division of labor already
underway
and support from Wikimedia Argentina. Many people contributed
to the
bid, with obvious enthusiasm for organizing the conference
and quick
responses to inquiries.
- A detailed budget proposal and planning schedule. Many major
expenses are being covered by the provider. The total budget is similar to Wikimania 2007's, including a larger travel
scholarship
fund, and they have provided detailed charts ahead of time.
- A significant number of sponsors already lined up, with
some already
confirmed. They hope to cover half the accommodation and $60k in travel scholarships, which will help to ease travel costs for participants from far away.
- A solid venue : as with Toronto, this was situated within a
well-maintained cultural center in a major international
city, near an
airline hub; culturally open, and an international melting pot.
- Relaxed visa rules, and easy entry from South American
countries.
- Good Spanish-language media contacts, with the promise of
outreach
to and the opportunity to work with the Spanish-language
Wikimedia
communities.
Toronto, the runner up, also provided a great bid. The jury was especially excited by:
- Strong English-language press in the area, and media
experience
among the bid team
- A very accessible venue, especially for US/European attendees.
- An excellent venue : a university campus, with dorms
directly at the
venue. As with Buenos Aires, it was situated within a well-
maintained
cultural center in a major international city, near an
airline hub;
culturally open, and an international melting pot.
- Extensive budget accommodation in the dorms; with many
options for
casual social space.
- A dedicated bid team, with the hope of Wikimedia Canada
being formed
in time to help coordinate.
However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger organization overall. Additionally, much of the information
in the
Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was
unclear
how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto
facilities
there was specifically for 2009.
Brisbane and Karlsruhe also provided good bids. Brisbane in
particular
had an enthusiastic bid team and a strong proposal, with
particularly
good local sponsorship opportunities; though this was offset
by the
high travel costs for out-of-country attendees. The jury felt
both
bids needed more detail (including specifics about accommodation options, and more detailed budget information) to be compelling.
As in previous years, the relative accessibility of locations
was
extensively discussed. The jury believes that it's important for Wikimania to be accessible to as wide an audience as possible, particularly to members of the Wikimedia community; the
relatively
high cost of travel to South America from Europe and North
America was
one of the most significant drawbacks we identified in the
Buenos
Aires bid—especially coming on the heels of Taipei and
Alexandria.
Having said that, the jury believes that the Buenos Aires bid
overcame
this drawback with its numerous advantages, among those the opportunity to hold the conference in a Spanish-speaking
locale, on a
new continent. We hope to receive strong bids from easily
accessible
locations for 2010.
Congratulations to the Buenos Aires team! Wikimania 2009
promises to
be an exciting and successful conference.
-- Phoebe Ayers, Cary Bass, James Forrester (non-voting jury moderators), on behalf of the Wikimania 2009 Jury http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Jury
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From: Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com Date: March 29, 2008 6:25:24 PM EDT (CA) To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009* Reply-To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia- ca@lists.wikimedia.org>
Well then, lets fix the bid and resubmit.
----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
I think it is presumptuous to assume there is any punishment rendered for attempting to win a bid. In respect to the jury comment, it seems they are stating there was a lack of clarity on the firmness of the offer of facilities for the University of Toronto.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote: Thats too bad. Move the bid site to another city? Also you could probably have the results invalidated next year if they are punishing cities for running.
----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Leung andrewcleung@hotmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
I'm perplexed by this statement from the jury...
"However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger organization overall. Additionally, much of the information in the Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was unclear how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto facilities there was specifically for 2009."
While I agree most info are the same between the 2008 and 2009 bid, we did add a lot more information. It sounds like they're trying to compare whether our bid improved between 2008 and 2009. And it sounds like they're punishing us for running in the bid twice in a row. Next year it will be even more unlikely that we'll win the bid even if we did significant improvement because Australia hasn't has a chance to host it.
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:19 -0700 From: geo.plrd@yahoo.com To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
Well then lets fix the problems.
----- Original Message ---- From: Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:34:54 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009*
If you'll read the e-mail by Phoebe that Nick forwarded, you'll see exactly why BA won and some information on why CA didn't. :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
run for 2010 and find out why BA won.
----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Leung andrewcleung@hotmail.com To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-
ca@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So are we going to run for 2010's? Or just call it quit?
Andrew
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:43 -0500 From: nicholasmoreau@gmail.com To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Announcement:
Wikimania
*2009*
So everybody is aware...
Nick
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Wikimania *2009* To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org, "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
I was so excited about sending the announcement that I forgot to proofread the subject line! Oh well. Both *2008* AND *2009*
should be
exciting conferences :)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:44 AM, phoebe ayers
wrote:
All,
We are pleased to announce that Buenos Aires has been
selected as the
location for Wikimania 2009.
The jury was particularly excited by a few parts of the
Buenos Aires
bid:
- A strong, organized team, with division of labor already
underway
and support from Wikimedia Argentina. Many people contributed
to the
bid, with obvious enthusiasm for organizing the conference
and quick
responses to inquiries.
- A detailed budget proposal and planning schedule. Many major
expenses are being covered by the provider. The total budget is similar to Wikimania 2007's, including a larger travel
scholarship
fund, and they have provided detailed charts ahead of time.
- A significant number of sponsors already lined up, with
some already
confirmed. They hope to cover half the accommodation and $60k in travel scholarships, which will help to ease travel costs for participants from far away.
- A solid venue : as with Toronto, this was situated within a
well-maintained cultural center in a major international
city, near an
airline hub; culturally open, and an international melting pot.
- Relaxed visa rules, and easy entry from South American
countries.
- Good Spanish-language media contacts, with the promise of
outreach
to and the opportunity to work with the Spanish-language
Wikimedia
communities.
Toronto, the runner up, also provided a great bid. The jury was especially excited by:
- Strong English-language press in the area, and media
experience
among the bid team
- A very accessible venue, especially for US/European attendees.
- An excellent venue : a university campus, with dorms
directly at the
venue. As with Buenos Aires, it was situated within a well-
maintained
cultural center in a major international city, near an
airline hub;
culturally open, and an international melting pot.
- Extensive budget accommodation in the dorms; with many
options for
casual social space.
- A dedicated bid team, with the hope of Wikimedia Canada
being formed
in time to help coordinate.
However, the jury felt that Buenos Aires' bid showed stronger organization overall. Additionally, much of the information
in the
Toronto bid was carried over from previous bids, and it was
unclear
how much of a commitment for the University of Toronto
facilities
there was specifically for 2009.
Brisbane and Karlsruhe also provided good bids. Brisbane in
particular
had an enthusiastic bid team and a strong proposal, with
particularly
good local sponsorship opportunities; though this was offset
by the
high travel costs for out-of-country attendees. The jury felt
both
bids needed more detail (including specifics about accommodation options, and more detailed budget information) to be compelling.
As in previous years, the relative accessibility of locations
was
extensively discussed. The jury believes that it's important for Wikimania to be accessible to as wide an audience as possible, particularly to members of the Wikimedia community; the
relatively
high cost of travel to South America from Europe and North
America was
one of the most significant drawbacks we identified in the
Buenos
Aires bid—especially coming on the heels of Taipei and
Alexandria.
Having said that, the jury believes that the Buenos Aires bid
overcame
this drawback with its numerous advantages, among those the opportunity to hold the conference in a Spanish-speaking
locale, on a
new continent. We hope to receive strong bids from easily
accessible
locations for 2010.
Congratulations to the Buenos Aires team! Wikimania 2009
promises to
be an exciting and successful conference.
-- Phoebe Ayers, Cary Bass, James Forrester (non-voting jury moderators), on behalf of the Wikimania 2009 Jury http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Jury
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, arctic.gnome@gmail.com wrote:
I would advise against running again next year. For one, next year won't be the Western Hemisphere's "turn", so right off the bad we would be at a disadvantage. Plus if we wait for one more year, hopefully WMC will have completed an initiative or two and will be strong presence to support the bid. -Jeff
I'm not disagreeing with you, but it *will* actually be a better chance for Canada to get it next year because people are saying the pressure will be on for it to be in Europe and the US again (Canada, especially Toronto, aren't that far away).
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