At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
I'm definitely in for Wikmedia Toronto.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Padraic Ryan padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com wrote:
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at Wikimania: "We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter - there can't be, it's too big of a country. Arguably there won't be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can't - Vancouver and Toronto just aren't gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things." And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there's basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don't help me either as there's nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
Mike
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From: Padraic Ryan [mailto:padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com] Sent: September 23, 2008 10:10 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
We made a great deal of progress in our goal of establishing a Wikimedia Canada. However, I must now agree with our Australian counterparts that it is quite difficult to complete the goal without local face to face meetings. We had conducted voice meetings on Teamspeak which were more helpful than IRC, but the lack of real life contact I think cost us our momentum. In respect to City vs national, I think establishing any in person meeting would be a lot better for the cause. I wouldn't trouble myself too much with city vs national, but how one can find at least 6 people who are willing to meet in person on a regular basis to get it done.
2008/9/24 mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at Wikimania: "We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter – there can't be, it's too big of a country. Arguably there won't be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can't - Vancouver and Toronto just aren't gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things." And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there's basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don't help me either as there's nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
Mike
*From:* Padraic Ryan [mailto:padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com] *Sent:* September 23, 2008 10:10 PM *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
So the long term goal would be moving towards keeping members of WM-CA together than deciding distinctively city vs national?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com wrote:
We made a great deal of progress in our goal of establishing a Wikimedia Canada. However, I must now agree with our Australian counterparts that it is quite difficult to complete the goal without local face to face meetings. We had conducted voice meetings on Teamspeak which were more helpful than IRC, but the lack of real life contact I think cost us our momentum. In respect to City vs national, I think establishing any in person meeting would be a lot better for the cause. I wouldn't trouble myself too much with city vs national, but how one can find at least 6 people who are willing to meet in person on a regular basis to get it done.
2008/9/24 mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at
Wikimania: "We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter – there can't be, it's too big of a country. Arguably there won't be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can't - Vancouver and Toronto just aren't gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things." And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there's basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don't help me either as there's nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
Mike
*From:* Padraic Ryan [mailto:padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com] *Sent:* September 23, 2008 10:10 PM *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
-- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
My point is that you need to find a group of people who are able to meet in person to work in support of the common goal, whatever it may be.
2008/9/24 Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com
So the long term goal would be moving towards keeping members of WM-CA together than deciding distinctively city vs national?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com wrote:
We made a great deal of progress in our goal of establishing a Wikimedia Canada. However, I must now agree with our Australian counterparts that it is quite difficult to complete the goal without local face to face meetings. We had conducted voice meetings on Teamspeak which were more helpful than IRC, but the lack of real life contact I think cost us our momentum. In respect to City vs national, I think establishing any in person meeting would be a lot better for the cause. I wouldn't trouble myself too much with city vs national, but how one can find at least 6 people who are willing to meet in person on a regular basis to get it done.
2008/9/24 mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at
Wikimania: "We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter – there can't be, it's too big of a country. Arguably there won't be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can't - Vancouver and Toronto just aren't gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things." And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there's basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don't help me either as there's nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
Mike
*From:* Padraic Ryan [mailto:padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com] *Sent:* September 23, 2008 10:10 PM *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello <yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
-- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Sorry for not able to reply these series of emails earlier. I was out of reach for 2 days with Ministry of the Environment to catch some fish in Perry Sound and Huntsville. The experience was great, we caught various kinds of trophy fish like Lake Trout, Northern Pike, Smallmouth Bass and other species with our gill-nets. In Ontario, don't try using gill-nets when you fish, cause we got permit to take as many fish we need even if the size of the fish is too small and the law forces you to catch & release, because we need to take them to do contamination analysis. Having a small sample size won't help with getting accurate results.
Anyhow, back to topic, I think the first step should be first establishing local chapters, then work our way up to national chapter.
Andrew
"Fill the world with children who care and things start looking up."
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:47:46 -0400 From: fastalan@gmail.com To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
My point is that you need to find a group of people who are able to meet in person to work in support of the common goal, whatever it may be.
2008/9/24 Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com
So the long term goal would be moving towards keeping members of WM-CA together than deciding distinctively city vs national?
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com wrote:
We made a great deal of progress in our goal of establishing a Wikimedia Canada. However, I must now agree with our Australian counterparts that it is quite difficult to complete the goal without local face to face meetings. We had conducted voice meetings on Teamspeak which were more helpful than IRC, but the lack of real life contact I think cost us our momentum. In respect to City vs national, I think establishing any in person meeting would be a lot better for the cause. I wouldn't trouble myself too much with city vs national, but how one can find at least 6 people who are willing to meet in person on a regular basis to get it done.
2008/9/24 mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at Wikimania: "We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter – there can't be, it's too big of a country. Arguably there won't be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can't - Vancouver and Toronto just aren't gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things." And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there's basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don't help me either as there's nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
Mike
From: Padraic Ryan [mailto:padraic.j.ryan@gmail.com]
Sent: September 23, 2008 10:10 PM
To: Wikimedia Canada planning list
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
On that note, I'll just chip in that I think city-based chapters would be a lot better for Canada, given the distances involved. I'd be interested in putting together Wikimedia Toronto.
P
2008/9/23 wayne cpa@sympatico.ca
At 04:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
I read this message on IRC just now, seems like a valid question. :-)
<yannf> hello
<yannf> what's the situation with WM-ca?
I advertized to start a London Ontario Chapter or a discussion group
and got no responses in this town. I will try again though
Wayne Ray
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-ca mailing list
Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-ca mailing list
Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
Just an outside thought on this - and you know, being a Canadian and all...
At the very least you will have a fantastic inter-chapter communications network in place. This is a huge jump ahead. If you take a historical look at so many other local chapters that started way in advance of 'national' movements (health awareness groups are the best example) it generally took years to get coordinated across provinces and to develop national policies/frameworks. Seems like Canada is in good position to at least have all of the chapters develop within a consistent national framework, always stay in communication, and have healthy annual get-togethers.
Exciting stuff!
At 04:58 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
Just an outside thought on this - and you know, being a Canadian and all...
At the very least you will have a fantastic inter-chapter communications network in place. This is a huge jump ahead. If you take a historical look at so many other local chapters that started way in advance of 'national' movements (health awareness groups are the best example) it generally took years to get coordinated across provinces and to develop national policies/frameworks. Seems like Canada is in good position to at least have all of the chapters develop within a consistent national framework, always stay in communication, and have healthy annual get-togethers.
Exciting stuff!
-- Jay Walsh
Hi all.
I was thinking of starting a Commons website for Canada or at least Ontario or maybe even only London but anyway, I can get a 350 Mb website for $60 a year and maintenance and put on the links to Chapters or projects or whatever. No responses from other Londoners yet but I will advertize again.
Wayne Ray User:WayneRay
Commons website of what? Images? If so, then why don't we just utilize Wikimedia Commons instead?
Andrew
"Fill the world with children who care and things start looking up."
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:08:36 -0400 To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org From: cpa@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Hello?
At 04:58 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
Just an outside thought on this - and you know, being a Canadian and all...
At the very least you will have a fantastic inter-chapter communications network in place. This is a huge jump ahead. If you take a historical look at so many other local chapters that started way in advance of 'national' movements (health awareness groups are the best example) it generally took years to get coordinated across provinces and to develop national policies/frameworks. Seems like Canada is in good position to at least have all of the chapters develop within a consistent national framework, always stay in communication, and have healthy annual get-togethers.
Exciting stuff!
-- Jay Walsh
Hi all.
I was thinking of starting a Commons website for Canada or at least Ontario or maybe even only London but anyway, I can get a 350 Mb website for $60 a year and maintenance and put on the links to Chapters or projects or whatever. No responses from other Londoners yet but I will advertize again.
Wayne Ray User:WayneRay
Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
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At 10:17 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
Commons website of what? Images? If so, then why don't we just utilize Wikimedia Commons instead?
Andrew
I meant like the ones I have on my website or for the bookstore I have, just a place to go to get links and information. not images per se but links to Members commons pages or galleries and categories of interest. members profiles, chapters, etc.
Wayne
Alan Walker wrote:
My point is that you need to find a group of people who are able to meet in person to work in support of the common goal, whatever it may be.
It helps if you can define the common goal first.
Ec
2008/9/24 Kevin T <ktsquare@gmail.com mailto:ktsquare@gmail.com>
So the long term goal would be moving towards keeping members of WM-CA together than deciding distinctively city vs national? On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Alan Walker <fastalan@gmail.com <mailto:fastalan@gmail.com>> wrote: We made a great deal of progress in our goal of establishing a Wikimedia Canada. However, I must now agree with our Australian counterparts that it is quite difficult to complete the goal without local face to face meetings. We had conducted voice meetings on Teamspeak which were more helpful than IRC, but the lack of real life contact I think cost us our momentum. In respect to City vs national, I think establishing any in person meeting would be a lot better for the cause. I wouldn't trouble myself too much with city vs national, but how one can find at least 6 people who are willing to meet in person on a regular basis to get it done.
mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm wrote:
Sue actually foreshadowed this development in an interview she gave at Wikimania: “We also know that, for example in the United States, there is no United States chapter – there can’t be, it’s too big of a country. Arguably there won’t be a Canadian chapter either, for the same reason, right? Because to the extent that chapters are about bringing people together and nurturing community face-to-face, they just can’t - Vancouver and Toronto just aren’t gonna get together, you know, for meetings and things.” And I can agree with that sentiment. Part of my reluctance to get involved is that there’s basically zero chance of me travelling to be involved in this. Unfortunately, regional chapters don’t help me either as there’s nobody nearby, AFAIK. However for the organization as a whole, it is worth pursuing regional or city chapters, I think.
The biggest difficulty for the US chapter is that WMF is also US based. The country's size comes behind that.
I commented on Meta about what the chat-people had come up with for by-laws more than a month ago, and there hasn't been a single response. A lot of these things don't require in person meetings. Many of these issues can be negotiated on wiki.
Bringing people together is not the primary purpose of the chapter. That can be done on a regional or city basis without a chapter. What's a lot more important is the fund-raising aspect which will allow us to put more emphasis on Canadian priorities.
Ec
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