In a cursory search on Meta, I found an active Wikimedia Australia project. I note their bylaw draft includes a $40.00 annual membership fee. [ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Draft_Rules_for_Wikimedia... ]
Yes, Wikimedia Australia is in the process of forming their own chapter. I have also noticed that almost all (if not all) other chapters have membership fees, so it might be a good idea for WMC to do the same.
For reference, this a list of chapters with links to their membership fees pages: * Wikimedia Argentina: http://www.wikimedia.org.ar/wiki/Cuota_Social * Wikimédia France: http://www.wikimedia.fr/wiki/Devenir_membre#Montants * Wikimedia Deutschland (Germany): http://www.wikimedia.de/satzung/beitragsordnung/ * Wikimedia Israel: ? * Wikimedia Italia (Italy): http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Subscriptions#Associative_fees * Wikimedia Nederland (Netherlands): http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Aanmelding_lidmaatschap * Wikimedia Polska (Poland): http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sk%C5%82adki (?) * Wikimedia Србије (Serbia): ? * Wikimedia Sverige (Sweden): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Sverige#Membership * Wikimedia CH (Switzerland): http://www.wikimedia.ch/Mitgliederbeitrag * 中華民國維基媒體協會 (Taiwan): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Taiwan/%E7%AB%A0%E7%A8%8B/EN#Articl... * Wikimedia UK (United Kingdom): http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/membership
If we do opt to have a membership fee, we should probably base it off of the other chapters.
On Feb 3, 2008 8:18 PM, Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com wrote:
In a cursory search on Meta, I found an active Wikimedia Australia project. I note their bylaw draft includes a $40.00 annual membership fee. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Draft_Rules_for_Wikimedia...]
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And this is Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK)'s membership fee: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hong_Kong/%E7%A4%BE%E5%9C%98%E6%9C%... Entry fee is HKD$20 and annual fee is HKD$50. For your convinences: the exchange rate is around HKD$8 = CAD$1 Andrew (OhanaUnited)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:09:57 -0500> From: cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com> To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Membership fees> > Yes, Wikimedia Australia is in the process of forming their own> chapter. I have also noticed that almost all (if not all) other> chapters have membership fees, so it might be a good idea for WMC to> do the same.> > For reference, this a list of chapters with links to their membership> fees pages:> * Wikimedia Argentina: http://www.wikimedia.org.ar/wiki/Cuota_Social%3E * Wikimédia France: http://www.wikimedia.fr/wiki/Devenir_membre#Montants%3E * Wikimedia Deutschland (Germany):> http://www.wikimedia.de/satzung/beitragsordnung/%3E * Wikimedia Israel: ?> * Wikimedia Italia (Italy):> http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Subscriptions#Associative_fees%3E * Wikimedia Nederland (Netherlands):> http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Aanmelding_lidmaatschap%3E * Wikimedia Polska (Poland): http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sk%C5%82adki (?)> * Wikimedia Србије (Serbia): ?> * Wikimedia Sverige (Sweden):> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Sverige#Membership%3E * Wikimedia CH (Switzerland): http://www.wikimedia.ch/Mitgliederbeitrag%3E * 中華民國維基媒體協會 (Taiwan):> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Taiwan/%E7%AB%A0%E7%A8%8B/EN#Articl... * Wikimedia UK (United Kingdom): http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/membership%3E > If we do opt to have a membership fee, we should probably base it off> of the other chapters.> > On Feb 3, 2008 8:18 PM, Alan Walker fastalan@gmail.com wrote:> > In a cursory search on Meta, I found an active Wikimedia Australia project.> > I note their bylaw draft includes a $40.00 annual membership fee.> > [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Draft_Rules_for_Wikimedia... >> >> > --> > View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn> > [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1%5D%3E > _______________________________________________> > Wikimedia-ca mailing list> > Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca%3E >> >> > > > -- > Casey Brown> Cbrown1023> > ---> Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to> this address will probably get lost.> _______________________________________________> Wikimedia-ca mailing list> Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
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On Feb 4, 2008 11:04 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:
Do we truly need membership fees just after setting up of the chapter,
especially when number of members within the chapter is sparse?
Comment from the sideline: Where else do you want to get money from? Membership fees, even if low, produce a regular, estimatable flow of income...very useful for treasurers ;-)
Michael
We can have different types of memberships. Here's a few ideas: * Normal membership * Student membership * Senior membership* Corporate membership* Organization membership Andrew (OhanaUnited)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:35:43 +0100> From: mbimmler@gmail.com> To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Membership fees> > On Feb 4, 2008 11:04 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:> >> > > Do we truly need membership fees just after setting up of the chapter,> > especially when number of members within the chapter is sparse?> > Comment from the sideline: Where else do you want to get money from?> Membership fees, even if low, produce a regular, estimatable flow of> income...very useful for treasurers ;-)> > Michael> > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia-ca mailing list> Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
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How about we combine a few? Like Student + Senior to "non-working person" and Corporate + Organization to "group"?
On Feb 4, 2008 7:13 PM, Andrew Leung andrewcleung@hotmail.com wrote:
We can have different types of memberships. Here's a few ideas:
- Normal membership
- Student membership
- Senior membership
- Corporate membership
- Organization membership
Andrew (OhanaUnited)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:35:43 +0100 From: mbimmler@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Membership fees
On Feb 4, 2008 11:04 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:
Do we truly need membership fees just after setting up of the chapter,
especially when number of members within the chapter is sparse?
Comment from the sideline: Where else do you want to get money from? Membership fees, even if low, produce a regular, estimatable flow of income...very useful for treasurers ;-)
Michael
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Why do we need money to exist? What exactly is it that we're doing, that needs money?
Nick
On Feb 4, 2008 5:35 PM, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2008 11:04 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:
Do we truly need membership fees just after setting up of the chapter,
especially when number of members within the chapter is sparse?
Comment from the sideline: Where else do you want to get money from? Membership fees, even if low, produce a regular, estimatable flow of income...very useful for treasurers ;-)
Michael
On Feb 5, 2008 4:39 PM, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
Why do we need money to exist? What exactly is it that we're doing, that needs money?
Yes...we thought so too. But only for verrry short time ;-)
Stamps cost money. Envelopes cost money. Business cards cost money (and you need them sooner than you think)
Registering and owning a domain costs money. Hosting a website costs money.
Organising an (informal) meeting costs money. Organising a General Assembly costs money.
Organising a public event costs *lots of money*, even if partially sponsored.
Michael
Who are we sending things to by mail? Other than the government, to register, what, are we sending out newsletters and membership cards? And who are we handing business cards to?
Yes, running a website costs money, but we've got permission from Wikimedia to have ca.wikimedia.org as ours for the taking.
How does it cost to meet? It costs for personal transportation and food, but I'm sure there's some cafe in Canada that allows people to meet for an hour or two.
And membership fees for 20-50 people AREN'T going to cover any amount of Wikimania's cost. As far as I know, Wikimania's costs are covered entirely by grants, sponsors, Wikimedia, and entry fees.
Nick
On Feb 5, 2008 10:45 AM, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 5, 2008 4:39 PM, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
Why do we need money to exist? What exactly is it that we're doing, that needs money?
Yes...we thought so too. But only for verrry short time ;-)
Stamps cost money. Envelopes cost money. Business cards cost money (and you need them sooner than you think)
Registering and owning a domain costs money. Hosting a website costs money.
Organising an (informal) meeting costs money. Organising a General Assembly costs money.
Organising a public event costs *lots of money*, even if partially sponsored.
Michael
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[pre-note, I'm always talking from experience in CH, the situation might be different in Canda¨]
On Feb 5, 2008 4:57 PM, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:
Who are we sending things to by mail? >Other than the government, to register, what, are we sending out newsletters and membership cards?
You will probably have to answer external correspondence by mail if it arrives per mail. You might have, somewhen, members without email (we do...) You will have to deal with all government authorities (e.g. tax authorities) by mail.
And who are we handing business cards to?
To people/orgs you cooperate with. Universities. Libraries. Companies. Government agencies. Other corporations. Whomever... Especially more 'formal environments' are very keen on business cards.
Yes, running a website costs money, but we've got permission from Wikimedia to have ca.wikimedia.org as ours for the taking.
Okay. But you might want to set up a wikimedia.ca to serve as redirect somewhen
How does it cost to meet? It costs for personal transportation and food, but I'm sure there's some cafe in Canada that allows people to meet for an hour or two.
Okay. But I am yet to find a place that allows us to host a General Assembly of 2 hours without any cost. Good luck in finding one, I couldn't. Same goes for board meetings (the latter can be done in private homes, but not always).
And membership fees for 20-50 people AREN'T going to cover any amount of Wikimania's cost. As far as I know, Wikimania's costs are covered entirely by grants, sponsors, Wikimedia, and entry fees.
Yes. I'm actually talking about Canadian internal events. "Wikipedia Day Canada". "Colloque Wikipédia Canada" Whatever...
I'm not suggesting that you need loads of money at the very day of establishment. But if you think that you can have a *visible* association (that is not only a piece of paper) without any money (resp. with everything covered ad hoc by individuals), I can nearly guarantee you that this won't work.
Michael
We also need $ for banners and stuff like that.
As for general assembly or board meetings, I do have some good news. As a student of UT at Scarborough campus, I can book a room for free as long as it's not in use for lecture or tutorial at that time. I'm pretty sure that other universities have a similiar policy as UT. But that's not the point of not having membership fees.Andrew (OhanaUnited)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:04:24 +0100> From: mbimmler@gmail.com> To: wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Membership fees> > [pre-note, I'm always talking from experience in CH, the situation> might be different in Canda¨]> > On Feb 5, 2008 4:57 PM, Nicholas Moreau nicholasmoreau@gmail.com wrote:> > Who are we sending things to by mail? >Other than the government, to> > register, what, are we sending out newsletters and membership cards?> > You will probably have to answer external correspondence by mail if it> arrives per mail. You might have, somewhen, members without email (we> do...) You will have to deal with all government authorities (e.g. tax> authorities) by mail.> > > And who are we handing business cards to?> >> > To people/orgs you cooperate with. Universities. Libraries. Companies.> Government agencies. Other corporations. Whomever... Especially more> 'formal environments' are very keen on business cards.> > > Yes, running a website costs money, but we've got permission from> > Wikimedia to have ca.wikimedia.org as ours for the taking.> >> > Okay. But you might want to set up a wikimedia.ca to serve as redirect somewhen> > > How does it cost to meet? It costs for personal transportation and> > food, but I'm sure there's some cafe in Canada that allows people to> > meet for an hour or two.> >> > Okay. But I am yet to find a place that allows us to host a General> Assembly of 2 hours without any cost. Good luck in finding one, I> couldn't.> Same goes for board meetings (the latter can be done in private> homes, but not always).> > > And membership fees for 20-50 people AREN'T going to cover any amount> > of Wikimania's cost. As far as I know, Wikimania's costs are covered> > entirely by grants, sponsors, Wikimedia, and entry fees.> >> Yes. I'm actually talking about Canadian internal events. "Wikipedia> Day Canada". "Colloque Wikipédia Canada" Whatever...> > I'm not suggesting that you need loads of money at the very day of> establishment. But if you think that you can have a *visible*> association (that is not only a piece of paper) without any money> (resp. with everything covered ad hoc by individuals), I can nearly> guarantee you that this won't work.> > Michael> > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia-ca mailing list> Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
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