Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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Indonesia is not Europe and frankly we're kinda lack of monument. We have greater things to pursue and only very limited resources so we must focus on what Indonesian are trying to accomplished.
Additionally, Could you please add Mulwardi, Kartika, and Ivonne in this mailing list?
mulwardi.tjipta@wikimedia.or.id, "Kartika Sari Henry" kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id, "Ivonne Kristiani" ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id,
Sincerely,
Siska, I am not a list admin. :P
Since this list is maintained by Wikimedia Hong Kong, Deryck and Jerry are perhaps the best people to help you with this. :)
Josh JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com; Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: mulwardi.tjipta@wikimedia.or.id; Kartika Sari Henry kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id; Ivonne Kristiani ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id; Irfan Toni Herlambang irfan.herlambang@wikimedia.or.id Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012
Indonesia is not Europe and frankly we're kinda lack of monument. We have greater things to pursue and only very limited resources so we must focus on what Indonesian are trying to accomplished.
Additionally, Could you please add Mulwardi, Kartika, and Ivonne in this mailing list?
mulwardi.tjipta@wikimedia.or.id, "Kartika Sari Henry" kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id, "Ivonne Kristiani" ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id,
Sincerely,
Since this list is maintained by Wikimedia Hong Kong,
Gotcha.
Look, I'm just curious, to be honest. South East Asia nation based on statistic definitely need articles and more contents.
Why are you pushing that we do what Europe do instead of focusing on content first? I hate to be copycat for something that we didn't really need simply because it's a feel good project.
Look, I'm just curious, to be honest. South East Asia nation based on statistic definitely need articles and more contents. Why are you pushing that we do what Europe do instead of focusing on content first? I hate to be copycat for something that we didn't really need simply because it's a feel good project.
Very true Siska that we need text content more, but images are also content. We are in lack of necessary images too. Image-based programs usually have more participants than article-based programs IMO. Personally I can say many of our Bangladesh related articles don't have necessary images. So, I don't think the idea is a "simple copycat thing because it feels good."
Regards, Tanvir Rahman Wikitanvir on Wikimedia
But pictures are content, Siska! ;)
True, we can use more articles, but at least in the Philippines' experience, it has been easier for us to organize photo competitions than article-writing contests (not surprisingly since we currently do not have enough partners to organize such a competition at the moment). However, this is merely an idea brought up during GLAMcamp that I'd like to transmit to the rest of the Asian communities, since save for us and India (and Israel too if you'd like to count it that way), almost everyone who went to Amsterdam the last weekend was from the "Global North", and I would presume Asian voices are equally important on the matter.
On the other hand, the WLM model is designed to be tailor-fit to the needs of individual countries, so I don't buy the copycat argument if a lot of project concepts anyway are going to be copied at one point or another by other chapters and/or communities. The same argument can be said for other projects: for example, me instituting a writing competition in the Philippines could be interpreted as me borrowing from the similar Indonesian concept if I were to believe your argument hook, line and sinker.
Josh JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com Cc: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org; "mulwardi.tjipta@wikimedia.or.id" mulwardi.tjipta@wikimedia.or.id; Kartika Sari Henry kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id; Ivonne Kristiani ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id; Irfan Toni Herlambang irfan.herlambang@wikimedia.or.id Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012
Since this list is maintained by Wikimedia Hong Kong,
Gotcha.
Look, I'm just curious, to be honest. South East Asia nation based on statistic definitely need articles and more contents.
Why are you pushing that we do what Europe do instead of focusing on content first? I hate to be copycat for something that we didn't really need simply because it's a feel good project.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
True, we can use more articles, but at least in the Philippines' experience, it has been easier for us to organize photo competitions than article-writing contests
True, my competition although successful in generating content IS labour intensive. However it did get hit by google by atom text more and go directly to your language wiki, rising it performance rather than just referring them to commons.
Anyway, you loose some you win some.
Arranging WLM in Asia would be great, but I am afraid it's not easy, at least not in South Asia. Not that we don't have enough monuments (Dhaka, my city, itself has a lot of monuments), but getting the list of monuments would be a problem. Things are not very organized here. :S
Regards, Tanvir Rahman Wikitanvir on Wikimedia
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 14:59, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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We don't have an easily-accessible online list either (although there are some lists circulating around the Internet), but we hope to get a copy (in any form) of the Philippine Registry of Cultural Property (PRECUP; the now-unified list of cultural property in the Philippines) before the competition starts. I would presume Wikimedia Bangladesh can ask the culture ministry (or any equivalent body) for such a list if one exists?
Josh JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Tanvir Rahman wikitanvir@gmail.com To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Wiki Loves Monuments 2012
Arranging WLM in Asia would be great, but I am afraid it's not easy, at least not in South Asia. Not that we don't have enough monuments (Dhaka, my city, itself has a lot of monuments), but getting the list of monuments would be a problem. Things are not very organized here. :S
Regards, Tanvir Rahman Wikitanvir on Wikimedia
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 14:59, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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Add me to the mailing list too please. :)
Australia may do it but limited people to implement.
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-------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tanvir Rahman wikitanvir@gmail.com wrote:
Arranging WLM in Asia would be great, but I am afraid it's not easy, at least not in South Asia. Not that we don't have enough monuments (Dhaka, my city, itself has a lot of monuments)
So I've been thinking. Why does Commons based project worked for Philippines and not so much for Indonesia. I dare say it worked for Hong Kong and India too. And then I remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTlhuokVDs
That is Wikimedia Italy "how to" and "what is" video and it hit me that they already localized everything, up to content, to Italian language. Now Philippines and Hong Kong are more "English" than the rest of Asia, India maybe somewhere in there too. Indonesia is not, I doubt Thailand, Bangladesh, Vietnam were far off from Indonesia situation.
If we (Indonesian) are to do "wiki loves free copyright pictures taken here and there" - with an English infrastructure Commons, I need to aim B level society (this is advertising code for middle class to upper class economy) that understand English. Here's the problem, although a lot of them are equipped with fancy camera, they usually don't want to release it under a free license since they consider themselves "pro" (although most of the time it is arguable).
An excited supporter would be a C level (students etc) which need an Indonesian language infrastructure commons, up to, it's how to cartoon in the beginning of uploading page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
So regardless monument or not, taken pictures effort would be more successful effort if commons localized (localized! Not just translated - see monalisa picture to most of Indonesian it will not fly) - it's instruction in basic Asian language.
That's all from me.
Now that I have migrated to an e-mail client (instead of replying to mails online), I can actually try replying in-line. :)
So I've been thinking. Why does Commons based project worked for Philippines and not so much for Indonesia. I dare say it worked for Hong Kong and India too. And then I remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOTlhuokVDs
That is Wikimedia Italy "how to" and "what is" video and it hit me that they already localized everything, up to content, to Italian language. Now Philippines and Hong Kong are more "English" than the rest of Asia, India maybe somewhere in there too. Indonesia is not, I doubt Thailand, Bangladesh, Vietnam were far off from Indonesia situation.
Actually, we're (arguably) more American than British. :P
As far as I know, while the interface may have helped in Wikipedia Takes Manila, I doubt the language is the only factor in this. In fact, several software packages related to MediaWiki have equivalent Tagalog/Filipino versions, and while we'd like to use them, the situation would be the opposite of Indonesia: a Tagalog interface would be harder to understand than an English interface.
However, I think language is neutral on this thing, and at any rate the software can be translated into Indonesian (or any other language for that matter) if need be. I will agree though: translation is one thing, but localization is another. Much of Commons is unavailable in Philippine languages other than the Main Page, and I think that's the sad reality people back home face.
If we (Indonesian) are to do "wiki loves free copyright pictures taken here and there" - with an English infrastructure Commons, I need to aim B level society (this is advertising code for middle class to upper class economy) that understand English. Here's the problem, although a lot of them are equipped with fancy camera, they usually don't want to release it under a free license since they consider themselves "pro" (although most of the time it is arguable).
An excited supporter would be a C level (students etc) which need an Indonesian language infrastructure commons, up to, it's how to cartoon in the beginning of uploading page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
So regardless monument or not, taken pictures effort would be more successful effort if commons localized (localized! Not just translated
- see monalisa picture to most of Indonesian it will not fly) - it's
instruction in basic Asian language.
WLM does not use the standard uploading interface, as far as I remember. Maybe the organizers of the European competitions know something about this, but then again, they're not on this list. :P
But as I said earlier, localization is another matter altogether. The question now is whether or not localization is a strong guarantor of a project's success.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Class of 2013, AB Political Science Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President, Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
WLM does not use the standard uploading interface, as far as I remember. Maybe the organizers of the European competitions know something about this, but then again, they're not on this list. :P
But as I said earlier, localization is another matter altogether. The question now is whether or not localization is a strong guarantor of a project's success.
As a completely random aside, http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/University_of_Canberra/RCC2012RecentChangesCa... 2012 is going to happen in Canberra, Australia from 20-22 January 2012. We don't necessarily have the money to fully fund non-Australians to attend, but after we clear our local requests, we can see about providing a small supplement to people outside our region to attend and we could discuss Wiki Loves Monuments there. (Or if 2 or 3 people committed to attend and quickly, we could ask the Europeans to send some one to Canberra to talk specifically about Wiki Loves Monuments.)
Will Australia do Wiki Loves Monuments? Maybe. Maybe not. I'd like to see it done, but http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Wikipedia_loves_%E2%80%A6_my_town is a chapter proposal that I believe passed. I haven't heard a single thing from local organisers about it since then. It probably will hurt our ability to do stuff in the future with organisations that we promoted this to unless it gets picked up. The people I know who I could really push and push hard to do something similar like Wiki Loves Monuments aren't as interested in monuments. They are military history people. We could probably launch something like "Wiki Loves Military History" and get some support from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAAF_Wagga_Heritage_Centre so put on an exhibition of pictures. Could we duplicate that in Indonesia? Based on my extremely limited knowledge of the Indonesian military, I don't think you'd be likely to find Indonesians who love their military or the military loving Wikipedians taking pictures.
Thus, our local situation makes it difficult because I can't drum up the people to do Wiki Loves Monuments that easily, even if most of the work is done just by having a heritage listing, which I was repeatedly reassured it was. (And no, I some how doubt it is that easy. After you have the list, you need to then go through and identify all the articles about those heritage listed sites on your own language Wikipedia, then go on Commons and search to see if there is a picture. Then you put that information about the listing, Wikipedia and Cmmons into a spreadsheet, then a list of eligible pictures is created. At some point, a panel needs to be found to help judge the quality of the pictures submitted on a national level. (I was reassured this too was easy, and once the ball was rolling, it would be easy to get people on board. On the other hand, we haven't done anything LIKE THIS with our GLAMs, our membership is tiny and scattered across a huge country… so it doesn't seem that easy.) You'd also need gallery space and a way to print the pictures. This takes a fair amount of leg work… and in a country like Australia, no easy, quick and cheap way to get to say Canberra to see your picture on display. That also puts it off.
I'd like to see it happen in Australia. I'd support a member who wanted to make it happen. I've prodded people to see if it will happen. I just, at this moment in time, can't see it happening unless the Germans or the Dutch or the Spanish turned up at what amounts to our national wiki conference and got some one enthusiastic enough about it to make it their single person mission to make it happen. (Anti-European bias is another reason I'm having trouble finding people.)
Hello all,
As I earlier stated on foundation-l, on an individual basis I generally support the idea on this "competition" or "campaign" behind, on the other hand I agree with Siska on two points. First clearly she mentioned on this thread there are pros and cons (organizing is always a challenge and we are Europeans: that means not only that we are living in countries whose culture, economic, law shortly the society in general differ but also we have no common jurisdictional/financial ground as Shengen zone or Euro zone. Organizing a pan-Asia event will sure be a bigger challenge.
We may say we write and apply for WMF grant, but it means we need to organize the event. Organizing a genuine online vote is itself a challenge (I speak it as former member of Board Election caretakers), even we may ask WMF for setting an online voting system which is however not suitable for PotY type poll according to its designer, Tim Starling,
The question if Indonesia lacks monuments which Siska claims, I'm not sure what she means: in my view Indonesia is one of rich countries of cultural heritages including static ones as Borobudur and Prambanan and intangible ones as Wayang Kulit. In other words we have not to stick the "Monument" concept in the early WLM competitions. I fully understand of course WMID and Indonesian community have their own priorities and it's fine if you Indonesians put the highest priority to alluring text contributors at this moment: you know your own people best among us all.
Cheers,
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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2011/12/8 KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com:
Hello all,
As I earlier stated on foundation-l, on an individual basis I generally support the idea on this "competition" or "campaign" behind, on the other hand I agree with Siska on two points. First clearly she mentioned on this thread there are pros and cons (organizing is always a challenge and
we are not Europeans:
that means not only that we are living in countries whose culture, economic, law shortly the society in general differ but also we have no common jurisdictional/financial ground as Shengen zone or Euro zone. Organizing a pan-Asia event will sure be a bigger challenge.
We may say we write and apply for WMF grant, but it means we need to organize the event. Organizing a genuine online vote is itself a challenge (I speak it as former member of Board Election caretakers), even we may ask WMF for setting an online voting system which is however not suitable for PotY type poll according to its designer, Tim Starling,
The question if Indonesia lacks monuments which Siska claims, I'm not sure what she means: in my view Indonesia is one of rich countries of cultural heritages including static ones as Borobudur and Prambanan and intangible ones as Wayang Kulit. In other words we have not to stick the "Monument" concept in the early WLM competitions. I fully understand of course WMID and Indonesian community have their own priorities and it's fine if you Indonesians put the highest priority to alluring text contributors at this moment: you know your own people best among us all.
Cheers,
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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Oops I assume it's apparent but let me correct myself
2011/12/8 KIZU Naoko aphaia@gmail.com:
Hello all,
As I earlier stated on foundation-l, on an individual basis I generally support the idea on this "competition" or "campaign" behind, on the other hand I agree with Siska on two points. First clearly she mentioned on this thread there are pros and cons (organizing is always a challenge and
we are not Europeans:
that means not only that we are living in countries whose culture, economic, law shortly the society in general differ but also we have no common jurisdictional/financial ground as Shengen zone or Euro zone. Organizing a pan-Asia event will sure be a bigger challenge.
We may say we write and apply for WMF grant, but it means we need to organize the event. Organizing a genuine online vote is itself a challenge (I speak it as former member of Board Election caretakers), even we may ask WMF for setting an online voting system which is however not suitable for PotY type poll according to its designer, Tim Starling,
The question if Indonesia lacks monuments which Siska claims, I'm not sure what she means: in my view Indonesia is one of rich countries of cultural heritages including static ones as Borobudur and Prambanan and intangible ones as Wayang Kulit. In other words we have not to stick the "Monument" concept in the early WLM competitions. I fully understand of course WMID and Indonesian community have their own priorities and it's fine if you Indonesians put the highest priority to alluring text contributors at this moment: you know your own people best among us all.
Cheers,
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi guys,
The 2012 Wiki Loves Monuments competition will become global next year, and I'd like to ask how many countries in Asia intend to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments. During Wikimania last August, a pan-Asian Wiki Loves Monuments-style contest was proposed as a common project of the Asian communities, and with the global competition, I think we can focus our efforts on the global competition instead. However, we can have something like an "Asia's Best Picture" award or something like that.
Wikimedia Philippines had expressed interest in organizing a local Wiki Loves Monuments competition next year during GLAMcamp Amsterdam, and I hope other Asian chapters and communities will likewise be interested in doing the same thing. Information on next year's competition may be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
Vice-President (2011-2012), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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