Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
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Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Hello all,
Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file.
First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote.
Stream is here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-...
What happens if the reform is passed as is: The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally.
What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as a move before them would be unlikely.
Very hypothetical: If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely unlikely to happen again.
Thanks everyone for you help and support.
Cheers from Strasbourg, Dimi
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Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
Directive approved by 5 votes 317 to 312
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
> Hello all, > > Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg to > vote on the copyright file. > > First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just > vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will > votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting > list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. > > Stream is here: > http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... > > What happens if the reform is passed as is: > The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 > April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States > will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work > on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the > effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also > widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. > > What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: > The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States > governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend > it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as > a move before them would be unlikely. > > Very hypothetical: > If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its > behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But > copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for > the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded > off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken > place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was > pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely > unlikely to happen again. > > Thanks everyone for you help and support. > > Cheers from Strasbourg, > Dimi > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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And the very weird gloating has begun https://twitter.com/davidclowery/status/1110513807036727296?s=21
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 20:54, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments.
The Directive was approved 348-274.
D
На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа:
> Directive approved > by 5 votes > 317 to 312 > > На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < > dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: > >> Hello all, >> >> Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg >> to vote on the copyright file. >> >> First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just >> vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will >> votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting >> list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. >> >> Stream is here: >> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... >> >> What happens if the reform is passed as is: >> The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 >> April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States >> will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work >> on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the >> effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also >> widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. >> >> What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: >> The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States >> governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend >> it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as >> a move before them would be unlikely. >> >> Very hypothetical: >> If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its >> behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But >> copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for >> the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded >> off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken >> place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was >> pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely >> unlikely to happen again. >> >> Thanks everyone for you help and support. >> >> Cheers from Strasbourg, >> Dimi >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Well he's quite the wanker, isn't he?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:09 Liam Wyatt, liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
And the very weird gloating has begun https://twitter.com/davidclowery/status/1110513807036727296?s=21
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 20:54, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
So narrow, that hurts.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments. > > The Directive was approved 348-274. > > D > > На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < > dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: > >> Directive approved >> by 5 votes >> 317 to 312 >> >> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg >>> to vote on the copyright file. >>> >>> First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just >>> vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will >>> votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting >>> list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. >>> >>> Stream is here: >>> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... >>> >>> What happens if the reform is passed as is: >>> The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 >>> April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States >>> will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work >>> on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the >>> effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also >>> widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. >>> >>> What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: >>> The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States >>> governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend >>> it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as >>> a move before them would be unlikely. >>> >>> Very hypothetical: >>> If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its >>> behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But >>> copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for >>> the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded >>> off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken >>> place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was >>> pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely >>> unlikely to happen again. >>> >>> Thanks everyone for you help and support. >>> >>> Cheers from Strasbourg, >>> Dimi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > Publicpolicy mailing list > Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Friends, we may have our disagreements with this songwriter from the 1990s, but let's stay polite!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
Well he's quite the wanker, isn't he?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:09 Liam Wyatt, liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
And the very weird gloating has begun https://twitter.com/davidclowery/status/1110513807036727296?s=21
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 20:54, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll have a statement out later today.
Thanks for your help, everyone!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
> So narrow, that hurts. > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < > dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments. >> >> The Directive was approved 348-274. >> >> D >> >> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >> >>> Directive approved >>> by 5 votes >>> 317 to 312 >>> >>> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in Strasbourg >>>> to vote on the copyright file. >>>> >>>> First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or just >>>> vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that will >>>> votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a voting >>>> list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. >>>> >>>> Stream is here: >>>> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... >>>> >>>> What happens if the reform is passed as is: >>>> The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 >>>> April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States >>>> will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work >>>> on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the >>>> effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also >>>> widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. >>>> >>>> What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: >>>> The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States >>>> governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend >>>> it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as >>>> a move before them would be unlikely. >>>> >>>> Very hypothetical: >>>> If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its >>>> behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But >>>> copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for >>>> the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded >>>> off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken >>>> place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was >>>> pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely >>>> unlikely to happen again. >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for you help and support. >>>> >>>> Cheers from Strasbourg, >>>> Dimi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> Publicpolicy mailing list >> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >> > -- > > Katherine Maher (she/her) > > Executive Director > > Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Publicpolicy mailing list > Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy > _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Touché. "Digital skeptic" indeed 🙄
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:45 Jan Gerlach, jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Friends, we may have our disagreements with this songwriter from the 1990s, but let's stay polite!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
Well he's quite the wanker, isn't he?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:09 Liam Wyatt, liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
And the very weird gloating has begun https://twitter.com/davidclowery/status/1110513807036727296?s=21
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 20:54, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks martinsb@gmail.com wrote:
Detailed voting data available:
Votes: 22.whether to accept amendments 23.approve directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190...
Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
> So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll > have a statement out later today. > > Thanks for your help, everyone! > > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher < > kmaher@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> So narrow, that hurts. >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments. >>> >>> The Directive was approved 348-274. >>> >>> D >>> >>> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >>> >>>> Directive approved >>>> by 5 votes >>>> 317 to 312 >>>> >>>> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in >>>>> Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file. >>>>> >>>>> First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or >>>>> just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that >>>>> will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a >>>>> voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. >>>>> >>>>> Stream is here: >>>>> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... >>>>> >>>>> What happens if the reform is passed as is: >>>>> The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 >>>>> April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States >>>>> will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work >>>>> on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the >>>>> effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also >>>>> widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. >>>>> >>>>> What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: >>>>> The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States >>>>> governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend >>>>> it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as >>>>> a move before them would be unlikely. >>>>> >>>>> Very hypothetical: >>>>> If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes its >>>>> behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. But >>>>> copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" for >>>>> the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get nodded >>>>> off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already taken >>>>> place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item was >>>>> pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely >>>>> unlikely to happen again. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for you help and support. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers from Strasbourg, >>>>> Dimi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Publicpolicy mailing list >>> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >>> >> -- >> >> Katherine Maher (she/her) >> >> Executive Director >> >> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Publicpolicy mailing list >> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >> > _______________________________________________ > Publicpolicy mailing list > Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy > _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 21:47, Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
Touché. "Digital skeptic" indeed 🙄
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:45 Jan Gerlach, jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Friends, we may have our disagreements with this songwriter from the 1990s, but let's stay polite!
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
Well he's quite the wanker, isn't he?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 20:09 Liam Wyatt, liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
And the very weird gloating has begun https://twitter.com/davidclowery/status/1110513807036727296?s=21
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 20:54, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
To look on the bright side, at least this means that we'll win the Reiss-Engelhorn Museum v. Wikimedia Foundation lawsuit (due to article 14 of the directive). As to the rest of it, quite disappointing indeed.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for sending this over, Mārtiņš!
Here's our statement: https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1110572603217862656
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:31 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks < martinsb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Detailed voting data available: > > Votes: > 22.whether to accept amendments > 23.approve directive > > http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+PV+20190... > > > Just these votes on Julia Reda's web page: > https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvote.pdf > > > Mārtiņš > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:05 PM Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org > wrote: > >> So close. More work to do towards national implementation. We'll >> have a statement out later today. >> >> Thanks for your help, everyone! >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:59 AM Katherine Maher < >> kmaher@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> So narrow, that hurts. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:56 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, that was the vote on whether to accept amendments. >>>> >>>> The Directive was approved 348-274. >>>> >>>> D >>>> >>>> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 12:53 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >>>> >>>>> Directive approved >>>>> by 5 votes >>>>> 317 to 312 >>>>> >>>>> На вт, 26.03.2019 г. в 10:09 ч. Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < >>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> написа: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Today after 12:30 we expect the European Parliament in >>>>>> Strasbourg to vote on the copyright file. >>>>>> >>>>>> First there will be a vote on whether to allow amendments or >>>>>> just vote the entire package as is. Only if there is a majority for that >>>>>> will votes on deleting Articles 11 and 13 be allowed. I am attaching a >>>>>> voting list with recommendations on Article 13, so you can follow the vote. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stream is here: >>>>>> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/website/webstreaming.html?event=20190326-0900-... >>>>>> >>>>>> What happens if the reform is passed as is: >>>>>> The Council will nod this off at a General Council meeting on 9 >>>>>> April. Then it will be published in the official journal and Member States >>>>>> will have 24 months to transpose the new rules. In this case we will work >>>>>> on national implementations. There is a lot we can to remedy *some* of the >>>>>> effects of Article 13 & open the door to future litigation. We can also >>>>>> widen the gains some of the exceptions provide at least nationally. >>>>>> >>>>>> What happen is the European Parliament amends the reform: >>>>>> The entire text goes to Council and then the Member States >>>>>> governments need to decide if they accept it as is or want to further amend >>>>>> it and negotiate with the EP. In this case we focus on the EP elections, as >>>>>> a move before them would be unlikely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very hypothetical: >>>>>> If a country, such as Germany for instance, suddenly changes >>>>>> its behaviour on 9 April, it could theoretically still stop the package. >>>>>> But copyright is already agreed upon in Council and put down as an "A item" >>>>>> for the 9 April meeting. A items are considered purely procedural, get >>>>>> nodded off and not even discussed (as agreement and a vote have already >>>>>> taken place). There is only one time, to my knowledge, that such an A item >>>>>> was pulled back. The Software Patents Directive. I think it is extremely >>>>>> unlikely to happen again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks everyone for you help and support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers from Strasbourg, >>>>>> Dimi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Publicpolicy mailing list >>>> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> Katherine Maher (she/her) >>> >>> Executive Director >>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Publicpolicy mailing list >>> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Publicpolicy mailing list >> Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >> > _______________________________________________ > Publicpolicy mailing list > Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy > _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 22:12 skrev john cummings <mrjohncummings@gmail.com
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That's not true, though.
First, the two Sweden Democrat MEPs voting as they had planned to would have meant that the directive would have passed as it is with a single vote, but it would still have passed. Ulvskog – a Social Democrat MEP – voted *for* opening a debate on amendments (that is, against adopting the directive in its entirety), but had previously stated she'd vote for adopting the directive including all articles. Her potentially pressing the wrong button certainly didn't *help* it pass.
Second, the Sweden Democrats "is a social conservative and right-wing populist political party" (English Wikipedia, being neutrally polite), hardly "left-leaning".
//Johan Jönsson --
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190326/15193241877/enough-meps-say-they-...
I wonder if actually given that it was so close this is being used as an excuse to voters.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 22:08 Johan Jönsson, brevlistor@gmail.com wrote:
Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 22:12 skrev john cummings < mrjohncummings@gmail.com>:
That's not true, though.
First, the two Sweden Democrat MEPs voting as they had planned to would have meant that the directive would have passed as it is with a single vote, but it would still have passed. Ulvskog – a Social Democrat MEP – voted *for* opening a debate on amendments (that is, against adopting the directive in its entirety), but had previously stated she'd vote for adopting the directive including all articles. Her potentially pressing the wrong button certainly didn't *help* it pass.
Second, the Sweden Democrats "is a social conservative and right-wing populist political party" (English Wikipedia, being neutrally polite), hardly "left-leaning".
//Johan Jönsson
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Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 23:39 skrev Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190326/15193241877/enough-meps-say-they-...
I wonder if actually given that it was so close this is being used as an excuse to voters.
Or it's just a confusing process.
//Johan Jönsson --
The process is a bit confusing, but not random or unknown. The Greens had talked about it on their group meeting and the coordinator put notes on the voting list exactly what was going to happen. If other groups or MEP's didn't know the Rules of Procedure, it might be a part of the explanation.
/Jan Ainali (skickat på språng så ursäkta min fåordighet)
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 02:24 Johan Jönsson brevlistor@gmail.com wrote:
Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 23:39 skrev Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190326/15193241877/enough-meps-say-they-...
I wonder if actually given that it was so close this is being used as an excuse to voters.
Or it's just a confusing process.
//Johan Jönsson
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Francisco Assis MP from Portugal also claims he voted for by mistake (and it's well possible that it was a mistake indeed, as he voted against last time)
Paulo
Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org escreveu no dia terça, 26/03/2019 à(s) 22:39:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190326/15193241877/enough-meps-say-they-...
I wonder if actually given that it was so close this is being used as an excuse to voters.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, 22:08 Johan Jönsson, brevlistor@gmail.com wrote:
Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 22:12 skrev john cummings < mrjohncummings@gmail.com>:
That's not true, though.
First, the two Sweden Democrat MEPs voting as they had planned to would have meant that the directive would have passed as it is with a single vote, but it would still have passed. Ulvskog – a Social Democrat MEP – voted *for* opening a debate on amendments (that is, against adopting the directive in its entirety), but had previously stated she'd vote for adopting the directive including all articles. Her potentially pressing the wrong button certainly didn't *help* it pass.
Second, the Sweden Democrats "is a social conservative and right-wing populist political party" (English Wikipedia, being neutrally polite), hardly "left-leaning".
//Johan Jönsson
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