Hello! I am an admin of the https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening? I am aware some lists have moved to Google Groups. Would that help, you think? If so, how might I go about migrating my mailing list to it? We have long banned the email addresses, but it seems rarely we get spam from the same email twice, so this tactic has not been very effective.
Thanks for any help you can provide,
~ MusikAnimal
Hello,
Have you tried with header filters at < https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w...
?
E.g. you may create a filter for the X-Spam-Score header added by SpamAssasin, and set a value such as [^+]*[+]{4,} so all emails with a x-spam-score value equal or more than 4 get rejected/discarded (at the admins' wish).
I don't quite remember right now, but I think mailman3 header filters do apply to subscribers as well, even if their moderation policy is set to "accept immediately", as apparently these rules seem to apply on top of every other rule/setting and one must be careful, but a SpamAssasin value of 4 or more should be pretty safe/accurate though.
What I miss in mailman3 (and existed in mailman2 IIRC) is the possibility to hold for moderation messages from new subscribers only (getting automatically removed from the moderation queue after X days and/or Y accepted posts), instead of the current all-or-none approach (I've been looking for that option but it seems not to exist anymore).
Best regards, M.
El lun, 24 abr 2023 a las 19:49, MusikAnimal (musikanimal@gmail.com) escribió:
Hello! I am an admin of the https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening? I am aware some lists have moved to Google Groups. Would that help, you think? If so, how might I go about migrating my mailing list to it? We have long banned the email addresses, but it seems rarely we get spam from the same email twice, so this tactic has not been very effective.
Thanks for any help you can provide,
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! I am an admin of the https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening?
The use of the x-spam-score header is not described in your current attempts to keep spam from the list, so https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters may be worth looking at.
Bryan
Amazing! Thank you both! I wish I had known about x-spam-score a long time ago. It's a bit amusing that we're using AbuseFilter-esque rules to filter out spam from a mailing list devoted to AbuseFilter, hehe! But hey, whatever works :)
As advised, I have it set to 4, with "Reject (with notification)", so I assume I will be emailed when something is rejected. I have some worries that given the nature of this list, we might have legitimate emails that are *about* spam and may get flagged as spam itself. I will monitor and tweak accordingly.
Thanks again,
~ MusikAnimal
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:02 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! I am an admin of the
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening?
The use of the x-spam-score header is not described in your current attempts to keep spam from the list, so <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters
may be worth looking at.
Bryan
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 21:23 MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Amazing! Thank you both! I wish I had known about x-spam-score a long time ago. It's a bit amusing that we're using AbuseFilter-esque rules to filter out spam from a mailing list devoted to AbuseFilter, hehe! But hey, whatever works :)
As advised, I have it set to 4, with "Reject (with notification)", so I assume I will be emailed when something is rejected. I have some worries that given the nature of this list, we might have legitimate emails that are *about* spam and may get flagged as spam itself. I will monitor and tweak accordingly.
Thanks again,
~ MusikAnimal
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:02 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! I am an admin of the
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening?
The use of the x-spam-score header is not described in your current attempts to keep spam from the list, so < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters
may be worth looking at.
Bryan
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 21:23 MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing! Thank you both! I wish I had known about x-spam-score a long time ago. It's a bit amusing that we're using AbuseFilter-esque rules to filter out spam from a mailing list devoted to AbuseFilter, hehe! But hey, whatever works :)
As advised, I have it set to 4, with "Reject (with notification)", so I assume I will be emailed when something is rejected. I have some worries that given the nature of this list, we might have legitimate emails that are about spam and may get flagged as spam itself. I will monitor and tweak accordingly.
Thanks again,
~ MusikAnimal
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:02 PM Bryan Davis <bd808@wikimedia.org mailto:bd808@wikimedia.org> wrote: On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello! I am an admin of the https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.wikimedia.org/ mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening?
The use of the x-spam-score header is not described in your current attempts to keep spam from the list, so <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters> may be worth looking at.
Bryan
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Hello again! I've had my list rejecting emails with a x-spam-score of 4 or higher since late April 2023. I *think* it helped, but now things are way worse than ever. We get 2-3 spam emails a day. According to < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters%3E, it would seem it's not possible to filter for values lower than 4. Is that correct? If so, what else can be done to prevent spam?
It's getting to the point that maintaining this list is more trouble than it's worth.
How could I go about migrating my list to using Google Groups? From my experience as a member of another such email list, Google Groups seems to come with spam prevention features, so I'd like to give that a try.
Thanks,
~ MusikAnimal
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 21:23 MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Amazing! Thank you both! I wish I had known about x-spam-score a long time ago. It's a bit amusing that we're using AbuseFilter-esque rules to filter out spam from a mailing list devoted to AbuseFilter, hehe! But hey, whatever works :)
As advised, I have it set to 4, with "Reject (with notification)", so I assume I will be emailed when something is rejected. I have some worries that given the nature of this list, we might have legitimate emails that are *about* spam and may get flagged as spam itself. I will monitor and tweak accordingly.
Thanks again,
~ MusikAnimal
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:02 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:49 AM MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! I am an admin of the
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-en-editfilters.lists.w... mailing list. Starting some months ago, we get spam more or less on a daily basis. We have all messages automatically held for approval, so our readers aren't seeing the spam, rather myself and the other admin are burdened with logging in and rejecting the emails every day.
Is there any advice on how to prevent this from happening?
The use of the x-spam-score header is not described in your current attempts to keep spam from the list, so < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters
may be worth looking at.
Bryan
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Hello MusikAnimal
First of all, regarding Google group mailing lists, they are somewhat "elitist". Supposedly, it is possible to use those mailing lists without a google account, but in practice my experience is that it varies between requiring jumping through some hoops (*if* you actually find the needed hoops) to not possible at all.
Second, if you hosted a wikimedia mailing list on Google groups it would not be possible to manage the subscription on https://lists.wikimedia.org, it wouldn't be listed there, nor would their archives...
Not to mention it might have implications to the privacy policy.
As for the actual spam problem. I don't know which list you are referring to but, is it allowing open posting? Does it need to allow that? Are they going through or getting stopped? In my experience, allowing only the subscribers to post to the mailing list is the most effective antispam measure.
It should be possible to configure spamassassin to include the X-Spam-Score header even for lower scores (and thus filtering mails with lower values), although I would focus first on why it is not giving them higher score, or other traits that could allow blocking such messages.
Regards
PS: I see some outdated pieces on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters that are no longer applicable on mailman 3
Hi,
I am an admin for a few smaller lists and recognize the increase in spam caught in the filters: though these emails will not go to the lists, they need to be checked manually to make sure they aren't 'serieus' emails that we do want to accept.
In the old system we could use regex strings to avoid the most obvious spam: am I reading it correctly we should now enter these strings under the 'banned addresses' tab? Do we have a quick-guide on how to compose these strings? (I think my lists lost these settings in the upgrade, and my regex knowledge is insufficient to write them myself.)
Best, Ciell
Op do 16 nov 2023 om 03:23 schreef Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
Hello MusikAnimal
First of all, regarding Google group mailing lists, they are somewhat "elitist". Supposedly, it is possible to use those mailing lists without a google account, but in practice my experience is that it varies between requiring jumping through some hoops (*if* you actually find the needed hoops) to not possible at all.
Second, if you hosted a wikimedia mailing list on Google groups it would not be possible to manage the subscription on https://lists.wikimedia.org, it wouldn't be listed there, nor would their archives...
Not to mention it might have implications to the privacy policy.
As for the actual spam problem. I don't know which list you are referring to but, is it allowing open posting? Does it need to allow that? Are they going through or getting stopped? In my experience, allowing only the subscribers to post to the mailing list is the most effective antispam measure.
It should be possible to configure spamassassin to include the X-Spam-Score header even for lower scores (and thus filtering mails with lower values), although I would focus first on why it is not giving them higher score, or other traits that could allow blocking such messages.
Regards
PS: I see some outdated pieces on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters that are no longer applicable on mailman 3
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On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 1:11 AM Ciell Wikipedia ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
In the old system we could use regex strings to avoid the most obvious spam: am I reading it correctly we should now enter these strings under the 'banned addresses' tab? Do we have a quick-guide on how to compose these strings? (I think my lists lost these settings in the upgrade, and my regex knowledge is insufficient to write them myself.)
I believe that is correct, and the details in this section should be uptodate: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Auto-discarding... (I.e. They were added after the Mailman3 migration, and edited by multiple people, so hopefully any errors have already been corrected!) However, they could perhaps be improved with more examples? (If anyone has questions about specific examples, perhaps ask on the talkpage there?)
Op do 16 nov 2023 om 03:23 schreef Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
PS: I see some outdated pieces on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters that are no longer applicable on mailman 3
Please boldly edit the page to remove/update anything inaccurate, or raise concerns on the talkpage! +1 to your other comments.
I hope that helps, Quiddity
Thanks Nick! Best, Ciell
Op do 16 nov 2023 om 19:17 schreef Nick Wilson (Quiddity) < nwilson@wikimedia.org>:
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 1:11 AM Ciell Wikipedia ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
In the old system we could use regex strings to avoid the most obvious spam: am I reading it correctly we should now enter these strings under the 'banned addresses' tab? Do we have a quick-guide on how to compose these strings? (I think my lists lost these settings in the upgrade, and my regex knowledge is insufficient to write them myself.)
I believe that is correct, and the details in this section should be uptodate:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Auto-discarding... (I.e. They were added after the Mailman3 migration, and edited by multiple people, so hopefully any errors have already been corrected!) However, they could perhaps be improved with more examples? (If anyone has questions about specific examples, perhaps ask on the talkpage there?)
Op do 16 nov 2023 om 03:23 schreef Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
PS: I see some outdated pieces on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam_filters that are no longer applicable on mailman 3
Please boldly edit the page to remove/update anything inaccurate, or raise concerns on the talkpage! +1 to your other comments.
I hope that helps, Quiddity _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list -- listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to listadmins-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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