You might also want to consider adding the mailing list to your contacts
for Hotmail. I have found this makes a big difference for Hotmail, even
more than filters do.
Risker/Anne
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 at 20:16, Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote:
First, I doubt you would get someone to change the
hotmail filters. It's
not like they added a manual rule. It works on autopilot. The spamfilter
*learns* that such message is bad. Not even the Microsoft guys really
know how it decides that. And even if the ip address was blocked, the
technicians would just be allowed to "mitigate" the ip, and are not allowed
to deviate from the runbook.
Second, the migration to mailman3 probably changed them enough so they
"lost" a lot of the reputation it gained through the years. So if may have
learnt that a message with certain wikimedia headers was ok, but mm3 emails
are different enough they don't hit.
Third, mailman *is* sending spam messages to the list owners. Those are
requested, but they are being sent, so hotmail does have a point. *Do not
mark them as spam*, even if it is a spam sent to <list>-
owner(a)list.wikimedia.org, you *want* to receive them, not to make hotmail
learn that email sent by
lists.wikimedia.org is spam.
Mails blocked to the list and sent to the list owners are problematic (and
spammy) enough that I think mailman should offern an option not to include
the full email not passed to the list, but only the subject. But that'd be
a feature request.
In the end, if you are a list admin, you have requested to receive them,
even if they are spammy. You should be able to configure your mail for
that. However, you may be using a provider which doesn't allow that kind of
flexibility.
By the way, gmail is marking me the previous mails of this list from Leon
Haanstra as: "This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you
created." (they are not always obeying these filters ☹, but I am glad they
at least allow them). This may be related to gmail considering list mail
flow more spammy than usual, or simply because it's a
yahoo.com email
address and thus it fails the silly DMARC policy they added.
Regards
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