Hi all, Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Asaf. I have discussed some times with Andrea, Gerard, and others about the need of a portal for presenting all the bibliographic information from Wikipedia and Wikisource in an user-friendly format, I am glad that you put it into words. The key for this to happen is of course Wikidata, once the structure is defined (done[1]) and the information from infoboxes, citation templates and Wikisource is imported (that might take some months), it should be quite easy to have a portal as the one you suggest. For items repersenting people we already have something like that: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q42
As for the aboutness, the needed property is already in discussion [2], however as Bob has mentioned, that is only part of the solution. For the searches to yield more results, the Wikidata implementation of Wiktionary should be in place, then it would be easy to connect synonyms and related words without having to resort to controlled vocabularies.
Even then, I would like to ask you, is it really that useful? I consider that a finer granularity might be more interesting for researchers ( thepund.it seems like a good candidate), and if it is about reading recommendations, then recommender engines work quite well, but that is a different story.
About importing all the metadata, I am not sure that would fall within the scope of Wikidata. The mission is to support WM projects, so that there is metadata at all, it is just a byproduct, not the primary aim.
Micru
[1] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force [2] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#main_t...
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all. I think that Asaf idea is very interesting, but of course my ultimate and neverending goal is to have Wikisource being a part/partner of it :-)
I have very unclear ideas about this, but:
- couldn't the project completely rely on Wikidata? You can have an item
for (almost) every record: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources Micru (in copy) can explain more about this.
couldn't we take all the Open Library data? are they CC0?
how do you see the relationship of this with Wikipedia and Wikisource?
One of the things I think about most is the fact that in Wikisource we actually use some template ad hoc for cited authors and cited works. es. http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Storia_della_letteratura_italiana_(De_Sanctis)... Every blue link it's a wikilink to another Wikiosurce work/author page. Moreover, at the bottom of the page you can see categories that list every citation of every author/work in Wikisource. I mapped this kind of relationship from a "mentions" property from schema .org to a wikidata property (the whole mapping we used as a draft it's here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUF... )
I think that these templates could convey (in a way I don't know) a "mentions" property in Wikidata: ex. Book Q98 mentions Author Q42, or something like this.
Do we want a "cited thing/concept/item" template? That could link directly to Wikipedia, for example.
In my ideal digital library, this kind of annotations would be made upon a different layer, and not in the wikitext (as we are doing now). Of course, I can and will discuss about this in the biblio-hackathon we will host at the National Library of Florence in October to the Pund.it folks http://thepund.it
Finally, I would recommend to discuss about all these things in our beloved Books task force: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force :-)
Aubrey
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ed Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
Hi Asaf,
It's an interesting idea, thanks for throwing it out there. Just to play devil's advocate a little bit, aren't most of the citations and external links in Wikipedia articles assertions of "aboutness"? How is what you are proposing different? For example, from the English Wikipedia Article for Friendship you could derive the following RDF assertion:
<https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Essays:_First_Series/Friendship>dcterms:subject http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q491 .
I guess answering my own question a bit, perhaps it could be easier for people to make these assertions as they are reading material on the web...and that perhaps not all of them belong in the citation or external links sections of Wikipedia articles? Some articles could get a bit long and unwieldy. I remember a social bookmarking site called Faviki that uses Wikipedia as a controlled vocabulary for tagging content while bookmarking it. Is that similar to what you are thinking about?
//Ed
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello.
Some of you have heard me rant about this for a couple of years now.
So, I
finally wrote something up:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Massively-Multiplayer_Online_Bibliography
Much, much to be added, but I'd love for this to be a group
conversation, so
by all means, dig in! :)
A.
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