Hi all. 

I think that Asaf idea is very interesting, but of course my ultimate and neverending goal is to have Wikisource being a part/partner of it :-)

I have very unclear ideas about this, but:

* couldn't the project completely rely on Wikidata? You can have an item for (almost) every record: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources

Micru (in copy) can explain more about this. 

* couldn't we take all the Open Library data? are they CC0?

* how do you see the relationship of this with Wikipedia and Wikisource?

One of the things I think about most is the fact that in Wikisource we actually use some template ad hoc for cited authors and cited works. 

es. http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Storia_della_letteratura_italiana_(De_Sanctis)/I

Every blue link it's a wikilink to another Wikiosurce work/author page. 

Moreover, at the bottom of the page you can see categories that list every citation of every author/work in Wikisource. 

I mapped this kind of relationship from a "mentions" property from schema .org to a wikidata property (the whole mapping we used as a draft it's here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUFkWndQWUZyemc#gid=0)

I think that these templates could convey (in a way I don't know) a "mentions" property in Wikidata:

ex. Book Q98 mentions Author Q42, or something like this. 

Do we want a "cited thing/concept/item" template? That could link directly to Wikipedia, for example. 

In my ideal digital library, this kind of annotations would be made upon a different layer, and not in the wikitext (as we are doing now). 

Of course, I can and will discuss about this in the biblio-hackathon we will host at the National Library of Florence in October to the Pund.it folks http://thepund.it

Finally, I would recommend to discuss about all these things in our beloved Books task force: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force :-)

Aubrey

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com> wrote:

Hi Asaf,

It's an interesting idea, thanks for throwing it out there. Just to
play devil's advocate a little bit, aren't most of the citations and
external links in Wikipedia articles assertions of "aboutness"? How is
what you are proposing different? For example, from the English
Wikipedia Article for Friendship you could derive the following RDF
assertion:

    <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Essays:_First_Series/Friendship>
dcterms:subject <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q491> .

I guess answering my own question a bit, perhaps it could be easier
for people to make these assertions as they are reading material on
the web...and that perhaps not all of them belong in the citation or
external links sections of Wikipedia articles? Some articles could get
a bit long and unwieldy. I remember a social bookmarking site called
Faviki that uses Wikipedia as a controlled vocabulary for tagging
content while bookmarking it. Is that similar to what you are thinking
about?

//Ed

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> Some of you have heard me rant about this for a couple of years now.  So, I
> finally wrote something up:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Massively-Multiplayer_Online_Bibliography
>
> Much, much to be added, but I'd love for this to be a group conversation, so
> by all means, dig in! :)
>

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