Thanks Fae! So it looks like there's no way of designating the language of say an artwork title as "Romanised Chinese, Pinyin System" and "Romanised Japanese, Modified Hepburn" is that correct? I suppose I could simply state those additional titles as a separate field, maybe called "Romanised Title", or within the notes and not worry about using a template for those.
Best,
Nora
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1. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Tim Waters) 2. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Rob H Warren) 3. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Rob H Warren) 4. Re: Hello + language template enquiry (Fæ)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:27:38 +0100 From: Tim Waters chippy2005@gmail.com To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools glamtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: CAOKL=Gy5e+Vg_XQZNCGXBJ_FgGrPKdFJ052SfGS=bCOm+trwag@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Folks,
James is correct, there are two ways to import existing Ground Control Points. The first is in CSV format for imported maps which has to be run by a server admin - ideally this should be exposed as part of the user interface. This can handle multiple maps and multiple points at once.
The second is doing it by hand via the user interface - a user can paste in coordinates manually, so that would be the easiest and quickest way for individual maps. In the control panel, click "control points" link and then the "add control point manually" button, and paste in the coordinates.
Regarding projections - for many old maps these cannot be used accurately, because paper stretches, the lens on the camera may distort things, the map may have folds or be made of several images, or it may be inaccurately surveyed. In theory it could be possible to reverse engineer the original projection based on the solution of the control points - that could be a fun exercise for someone to do even though it would have no utility for the warper.
Regards,
Tim
On 27 April 2015 at 12:48, Rob H Warren warren@muninn-project.org wrote:
Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely that the projection can be estimated since an algorithm could not differentiate between error and projection fit. -rhw
On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map
using the field "projection",
with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection
But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant
parameters.
I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by
MapWarper yet. (Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available to estimate a projection, given georeferencing points.
-- J.
On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote:
If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing
data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to
the map-warper.
This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer --
eg the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then get it out in various formats, including serving georeferenced tiles.
Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck
everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for large scale import.
(There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links
to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've got auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced images a day
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_ Curator_collection/georeferencing_done ).
As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import
pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite interested to see how you get on!
Best regards,
James.
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:06:43 -0300 From: Rob H Warren warren@muninn-project.org To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools glamtools@lists.wikimedia.org, wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: 78928CB6-26BB-45AE-8F70-41167875A640@muninn-project.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the map-warper.
This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then get it out in various formats, including serving georeferenced tiles.
Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for large scale import.
(There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've got auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced images a day https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curato... ).
As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite interested to see how you get on!
Best regards,
James.
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:48:59 -0300 From: Rob H Warren warren@muninn-project.org To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools glamtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: 005A4C38-E602-4D27-98EA-8C72ACF6C829@muninn-project.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely that the projection can be estimated since an algorithm could not differentiate between error and projection fit. -rhw
On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map
using the field "projection",
with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection
But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant parameters.
I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by MapWarper yet. (Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available to estimate a projection, given georeferencing points.
-- J.
On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote:
If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the map-warper.
This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then get it out in various formats, including serving georeferenced tiles.
Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for large scale import.
(There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've got auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced images a day https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curato... ).
As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite interested to see how you get on!
Best regards,
James.
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:44:30 +0100 From: Fæ faewik@gmail.com To: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools glamtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Glamtools] Hello + language template enquiry Message-ID: CAH7nnD1YNOR7nFFL5oaNKr36y_WEs3nTv-aCEEs_QQvtmfeKXw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Nora,
The Commons language policy can be found at < http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_policy%3E. To put any language in an artwork or information template, you just add a template around the text like {{en|1=<your text>}} for english or {{zh|1=<your text>}} for chinese. The language templates are listed with more explanation at <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_templates
As an example, here's one in a mass upload of mine from the World Digital Library < http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Comprehensive_Calendar_Arranged_by_...
it displays in 7 languages, you should be able to toggle between them
unless your settings are to display all languages at the same time.
Cheers, Fae
On 20 May 2015 at 13:40, McGregor, Nora Nora.McGregor@bl.uk wrote:
Hiya! Just introducing myself to the list as I suspect I’ll have lots of questions for you over the course of trying to learn the GWToolset! Ally Crockford, James Heald and Jonathan Cardy were very helpful last week in getting us up to speed over at British Library.
I’m currently working on getting this collection up so you may see lots of tests on the Beta Site around that http://www.jacar.go.jp/english/jacarbl-fsjwar-e/gallery/index.html.
I’ve just about got my xml file crafted but want to add in the right language templates and am having a bit of trouble finding the right ones. Please see the metadata attached.
*Images created in Japan*
English (en)
Japanese (ja)
Romanised Japanese (?)
*Images created in China* Chinese (?) English (en)
Romanised Chinese, Specifically Pinyin (?)
Japanised (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanization)/ Translation of the Chinese into Japanese (?) I thought I could use ja for this though the curator pointed out that strictly speaking it’s not Japanese…? Seeking further clarification from them but thought I’d throw it in there in the meantime!
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