Bonjour,
Les Archives Nationales nous ont recontacté le en début de semaine pour un 5e versement de documents.
Ayé, tout est prêt. La discussion est sur COM:BATCH : < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Archives_National...
Et les tests sur: < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Archives_National... et https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_ uploading/Archives_Nationales_%28France%29/Fifth_batch/2
N’hésitez pas à me faire des retours. Je lance mon bot d’ici quelques jours.
(P.S. Je maudis la Base Archim qui des fois a des fiches sur les documents, des fois non. Du coup, je mets les liens partout et il faudra (:-°) enlever ceux qui marchent pas.
That looks nice! Is that all the metadata they have though? It would be nice to know for example the title of the object in other languages (if available), and the original source of these objects before they came into the archives, or at least the date of acquisition.
It looks like a great set of objects to have. Congrats!
2015-10-03 13:16 GMT+02:00 Jean-Frédéric Berthelot < jeanfrederic.berthelot@gmail.com>:
Bonjour,
Les Archives Nationales nous ont recontacté le en début de semaine pour un 5e versement de documents.
Ayé, tout est prêt. La discussion est sur COM:BATCH : < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Archives_National...
Et les tests sur: < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Archives_National... et https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_ uploading/Archives_Nationales_%28France%29/Fifth_batch/2
N’hésitez pas à me faire des retours. Je lance mon bot d’ici quelques jours.
(P.S. Je maudis la Base Archim qui des fois a des fiches sur les documents, des fois non. Du coup, je mets les liens partout et il faudra (:-°) enlever ceux qui marchent pas.
-- Jean-Fred
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Hi Jane,
Apologies to our international readers − I meant that email to the French GLAM mailing list − but in a way I’m glad of my mistake :)
Le 3 octobre 2015 12:42, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com a écrit :
That looks nice! Is that all the metadata they have though? It would be nice to know for example the title of the object in other languages (if available), and the original source of these objects before they came into the archives, or at least the date of acquisition.
Indeed, but as far as I know, unfortunately not :-( Some of the documents have an entry on the Archim database (like [1]) and not much more information is available there. :-(
Since I’m here, and with so many GLAM-dataists in the room : I have been thinking about Wikidata − Commons reminds me on every file that this an « Artwork without Wikidata item » :) I suppose it makes sense to have WIkidata items about these physical objects conserved at the Archives (correct me if I’m wrong)
Some of them are interesting as they are the physical counterpart to an abstract − for example, [2] is the original document for the 1881 French Law on the Freedom of the Press, for which there are Wikipedia articles and a Wikidata item [3]. Any suggestions on how to reconcile both?
[1] http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/caran_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Loi_sur_la_libert%C3%A9_de_la_presse... [3] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3258603
Yes I noticed that, and I think there is an opportunity here to enrich all of those Wikipedia articles (or at least the Wikidata items corresponding to those articles).
Of course it is easiest to just do your download and cleanup later, but it would be nice if you could somehow link these items during upload. So if you know beforehand some of the items, why not add the Wikidata item to the upload data? Of course if this involves way too much work you could hold a Wikidatathon later to do this by hand. There is no limit to the number of files that link to Wikidata items, so several files that are details of the same object could all have the same Wikidata item in the Wikidata field.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Jane,
Apologies to our international readers − I meant that email to the French GLAM mailing list − but in a way I’m glad of my mistake :)
Le 3 octobre 2015 12:42, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com a écrit :
That looks nice! Is that all the metadata they have though? It would be nice to know for example the title of the object in other languages (if available), and the original source of these objects before they came into the archives, or at least the date of acquisition.
Indeed, but as far as I know, unfortunately not :-( Some of the documents have an entry on the Archim database (like [1]) and not much more information is available there. :-(
Since I’m here, and with so many GLAM-dataists in the room : I have been thinking about Wikidata − Commons reminds me on every file that this an « Artwork without Wikidata item » :) I suppose it makes sense to have WIkidata items about these physical objects conserved at the Archives (correct me if I’m wrong)
Some of them are interesting as they are the physical counterpart to an abstract − for example, [2] is the original document for the 1881 French Law on the Freedom of the Press, for which there are Wikipedia articles and a Wikidata item [3]. Any suggestions on how to reconcile both?
[1] http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/caran_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Loi_sur_la_libert%C3%A9_de_la_presse... [3] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3258603
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One option would just be to use P996 (Scan file) or P18 (Image) on the item for the 1881 Law.
But if you thought there was information relating specifically to the physical object (eg size), that would not be appropriate on the general item for the law, one option would be to create a new item, and record it as a manifestation (P1557) of the law.
If there was information that specifically related to this individual copy (eg location), you could instead consider recording it as an exemplar (P1574).
The promised CommonsData system will have similar issues to consider, when it comes to consider how to record scans of particular engravings.
It's possible that when CommonsData is up and running, the information for the physical object would be stored there, and not on Wikidata -- but for the time being, there is surely no problem with prototyping appropriate item structures on Wikidata (and appropriate chains of items -- exemplar / manifestation / edition / work) etc.
-- James.
On 03/10/2015 17:57, Jean-Frédéric wrote:
Since I’m here, and with so many GLAM-dataists in the room : I have been thinking about Wikidata − Commons reminds me on every file that this an « Artwork without Wikidata item » :) I suppose it makes sense to have WIkidata items about these physical objects conserved at the Archives (correct me if I’m wrong)
Some of them are interesting as they are the physical counterpart to an abstract − for example, [2] is the original document for the 1881 French Law on the Freedom of the Press, for which there are Wikipedia articles and a Wikidata item [3]. Any suggestions on how to reconcile both?
[1] http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/caran_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Loi_sur_la_libert%C3%A9_de_la_presse... [3] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3258603
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