Has there been any significant EE efforts to recruit and retain highly active editors, or converting active editors into highly active editors?
English Wikipedia could use some more editors who have enough knowledge and dedication to participate frequently in activities like Wikiprojects or community leadership roles. I'm sure other projects could also use more highly active editors.
Thanks,
Pine
Hello
A good way to engage active editors into the community life is to use Notifications. I hope the next development will permit to post notifications about community life or wiki projects updates, or much more!
There is a tool on Commons which displays a message on the watch list. With this system you can send a specific message to targeted users: guys in Wales using Firefox, or all sysops interested in heritage buildings. You can imagine to have this kind of filters on Notifications, in order to invite people to local meetups or edit-a-thons, first possible step to encourage users to be more active (it works in France).
Unfortunately, my smartphone doesn't allow me to copy the link to this tool.
Benoît Le 17 août 2013 08:28, "ENWP Pine" deyntestiss@hotmail.com a écrit :
Has there been any significant EE efforts to recruit and retain highly active editors, or converting active editors into highly active editors?
English Wikipedia could use some more editors who have enough knowledge and dedication to participate frequently in activities like Wikiprojects or community leadership roles. I'm sure other projects could also use more highly active editors.
Thanks,
Pine
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On 08/17/2013 04:35 AM, Benoît Evellin wrote:
Hello
A good way to engage active editors into the community life is to use Notifications. I hope the next development will permit to post notifications about community life or wiki projects updates, or much more!
I agree that notifications should be important in keeping people engaged (more so once there are useful cross-wiki notifications like "You Commons image was used on the Paris French Wikipedia article").
Some of this (e.g. newsletters) is intended to be in the scope of Flow (eventually), if I understand right.
There is a tool on Commons which displays a message on the watch list.
I believe there is a version of this on every wiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Watchlist_notice). It looks like Commons has some enhancement (maybe using site JS), but I wasn't easily able to find details.
Matt Flaschen
The standard one is pretty indiscriminate - a single line of text for all users. The Commons one is a sophisticated system with categorised messages, opt-out by topic, etc.; it's more or less a wholesale replacement for the previous one.
I'm hoping to try and get a version up and running on enwiki at some point; currently wondering how best to approach the proposal.
Andrew.
On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 08/17/2013 04:35 AM, Benoît Evellin wrote:
Hello
A good way to engage active editors into the community life is to use Notifications. I hope the next development will permit to post notifications about community life or wiki projects updates, or much
more!
I agree that notifications should be important in keeping people engaged (more so once there are useful cross-wiki notifications like "You Commons image was used on the Paris French Wikipedia article").
Some of this (e.g. newsletters) is intended to be in the scope of Flow (eventually), if I understand right.
There is a tool on Commons which displays a message on the watch list.
I believe there is a version of this on every wiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Watchlist_notice). It looks like Commons has some enhancement (maybe using site JS), but I wasn't easily able to find details.
Matt Flaschen
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On 08/17/2013 02:45 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
The standard one is pretty indiscriminate - a single line of text for all users. The Commons one is a sophisticated system with categorised messages, opt-out by topic, etc.; it's more or less a wholesale replacement for the previous one.
I'm hoping to try and get a version up and running on enwiki at some point; currently wondering how best to approach the proposal.
Are there any docs for the Commons version?
Matt Flaschen
On 13-08-17 11:15 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 08/17/2013 04:35 AM, Benoît Evellin wrote:
There is a tool on Commons which displays a message on the watch list.
I believe there is a version of this on every wiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Watchlist_notice). It looks like Commons has some enhancement (maybe using site JS), but I wasn't easily able to find details.
Details at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watchlist_messages Eg. Fantastic message-creation wizard at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Watchlist_messages/Wiza...
Thank you for the links
Benoît Le 17 août 2013 22:06, "Quiddity" pandiculation@gmail.com a écrit :
On 13-08-17 11:15 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 08/17/2013 04:35 AM, Benoît Evellin wrote:
There is a tool on Commons which displays a message on the watch list.
I believe there is a version of this on every wiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Watchlist_noticehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Watchlist_notice). It looks like Commons has some enhancement (maybe using site JS), but I wasn't easily able to find details.
Details at https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Help:Watchlist_messageshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watchlist_messages Eg. Fantastic message-creation wizard at https://commons.wikimedia.org/**w/index.php?title=Help:** Watchlist_messages/Wizard&**withJS=MediaWiki:**WatchlistMessageCreator.js# **step0https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Watchlist_messages/Wizard&withJS=MediaWiki:WatchlistMessageCreator.js#step0
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On 17 August 2013 07:28, ENWP Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com wrote:
Has there been any significant EE efforts to recruit and retain highly active editors, or converting active editors into highly active editors?
And is there an official view on their value? The recent discussions over the VE were notable for WMF staff starting to use the term "power users" as one of disparagement. Any stance will need to account for the public record.
- d.
On 08/17/2013 02:59 PM, David Gerard wrote:
And is there an official view on their value? The recent discussions over the VE were notable for WMF staff starting to use the term "power users" as one of disparagement.
Active editors, including highly active editors, are definitely important.
I consider the term "power user" a neutral term, not a disparaging one. If people have used it disparagingly, that's unfortunate.
Of course, I agree that power users should be encouraged, not disparaged. We need to ensure new tools are usable for both new and experienced users whenever possible. That is a key goal for VE, even though more work needs to be done to make it a reality.
Matt Flaschen
On 17 August 2013 23:09, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
I consider the term "power user" a neutral term, not a disparaging one. If people have used it disparagingly, that's unfortunate.
Can this be made policy in any manner? Because it's not a hypothetical.
Steven Walling - any thoughts on the matter?
- d.
On Saturday, August 17, 2013, David Gerard wrote:
On 17 August 2013 23:09, Matthew Flaschen <mflaschen@wikimedia.orgjavascript:;> wrote:
I consider the term "power user" a neutral term, not a disparaging one. If people have used it disparagingly, that's unfortunate.
Can this be made policy in any manner? Because it's not a hypothetical.
Steven Walling - any thoughts on the matter?
I think you've interpreted my use of the term as disparagement, regardless of whether i intended it that way. When I've used it in the context of VisualEditor discussions, what I'm saying is that VE is not for people who've made tens of thousands of edits. That's self-evident. I don't think it's disparaging to say a certain feature is not designed for a certain type of user, and that the opinion of experienced editors is not equivalent to actually asking new contributors what they want from VE. A more frank way of putting it is that just because you've made 50,000 edits and have opinion, it does not make that opinion relevant to every situation. That's just the truth.
- d.
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On 17 August 2013 23:29, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 17, 2013, David Gerard wrote:
On 17 August 2013 23:09, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
I consider the term "power user" a neutral term, not a disparaging one. If people have used it disparagingly, that's unfortunate.
Can this be made policy in any manner? Because it's not a hypothetical.
Steven Walling - any thoughts on the matter?
I think you've interpreted my use of the term as disparagement, regardless of whether i intended it that way.
"disgruntled power users" is pretty unambiguous to me, but if you insist.
- d.
On 17 August 2013 23:38, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
"disgruntled power users" is pretty unambiguous to me, but if you insist.
That's a bit terse.
My point is that relations between WMF staff and said "power users" was *extremely* rancorous over the VE; and that this was not helped at all by the attitude of WMF staff. I had corresponence with staffers over their use of personal attacks, disparagement of disagreement and personalisation of disagreement.
The cultural attitude amongst at least some WMF staff was clear: they regarded power users as a problem, and didn't consider relations with them to be worth the effort.
Now, that may be a defensible attitude - but not if you ever, *ever*, need any of these individual people onside with you, ever at any time.
(I would have thought this obvious, but the behavioural evidence says otherwise.)
If WMF decides that keeping power users onside is the thing to do, then the past behaviour of staff will need to be accounted for. Let's assume the people in question do in fact have memories.
- d.
On 08/17/2013 06:29 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
I think you've interpreted my use of the term as disparagement, regardless of whether i intended it that way. When I've used it in the context of VisualEditor discussions, what I'm saying is that VE is not for people who've made tens of thousands of edits. That's self-evident.
Some people who have made tens of thousands of edits may never use VE. Others will sometimes, even though they're still comfortable using wikitext and do so other times.
However, supporting and getting feedback from long-time editors is a goal of the foundation and the VE teams (http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2013-July/000804.html).
Matt Flaschen