On 2 February 2013 12:43, Benoît Evellin benoit.evellin@wikimedia.frwrote:
Hi everybody
I have various observations for all of your ideas.
- Useful edit notification : this idea may be a good one, if the wording
illustrates a Jedi/padawan relation instead of an editor-in-chief/freelance relation. We want equality between all editors. We all know that is not true, so we mustn't dig the trench deeper.
- Contributions since the last edit : I completely agree with Chris
experience and Liam suggestions. Be careful again in the wording : articles are the property of no one.
- positive notifications and bot notifications : how will it work on
Wikipedias without theses features ?
The idea is that instead of hooking it into specific services (ClueBot,
Huggle) we'll have a "silent" notification - something that exists but is not triggered by MediaWiki, and can instead be triggered through the API. So, when ClueBot finds an edit does not meet its standards for reverting it, it would poke the API to send $notification to $userwhomadeedit. Because it's not service-specific, other wikis with their own automated or semi-automated tools could also hook in using the same process.
The problem with tying the notification to something *in* MediaWiki is that MediaWiki itself really doesn't have a way of recognising edits as 'good' or 'bad' - that's always been handled through bots and user extensions.
(I'd actually argue that this is a good illustration of why a decade of correcting for MediaWiki's flaws by way of the TS, bots, API calls, etc has substantially harmed the efficacy of our product(s) - but this is an essay-sized rant for another day :))
Benoît
2013/2/2 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 2 February 2013 03:33, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to give a giant +1 to Chris's suggestion - telling (potential) editors how many other people have read the article is a big
motivator. It's
logical really, we know this from the Education outreach projects and
also
from all the GLAM content donations: people REALLY are motivated by
the fact
that *their* writing and multimedia is being seen by lots of people.
Currently that information is rather hidden away in a link to the toolserver via the History tab. If you could bring that information
more to
the fore it could be really satisfying. For example: "30 people have looked at your article since you made your edit." or, "350 people have seen this article in the last month" or even "6 other editors have changed this article and 500 people have read it since
you last
helped edit it". Perhaps you could even give some more complex
breakdowns
with pageviews by continent?
The problem with this (or potential problem) is twofold: first, with a
large
number of pages it could get spammy. Second, to my knowledge the
toolserver
and stats.grok.se sites are not run off any kind of live data; they're reliant on database dumps. We'd either be plugging into third-party
services
of unknown viability or need to make a request to analytics for them to
make
this kind of data more internally available and transparent, which
could be
a pile of work.
The traffic dumps have been running pretty reliably on a daily basis, so it's close enough to live for this purpose.
Making that more internally available and transparent would be well worth a modest pile of work, as this is data that we know is very powerful motivation for many contributors (new and experienced alike).
It would take some experimenting to see what kinds of traffic-related data are effective in Echo notifications, but the basic concept has a lot of potential. (And getting article-level traffic data integrated into our internal infrastructure would be an important step forward even beyond usage in Echo.)
-Sage
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