On 2 February 2013 12:43, Benoît Evellin <benoit.evellin@wikimedia.fr> wrote:
Hi everybody

I have various observations for all of your ideas.

* Useful edit notification : this idea may be a good one, if the wording illustrates a Jedi/padawan relation instead of an editor-in-chief/freelance relation. We want equality between all editors. We all know that is not true, so we mustn't dig the trench deeper.

* Contributions since the last edit : I completely agree with Chris experience and Liam suggestions. Be careful again in the wording : articles are the property of no one.

* positive notifications and bot notifications : how will it work on Wikipedias without theses features ?

The idea is that instead of hooking it into specific services (ClueBot, Huggle) we'll have a "silent" notification - something that exists but is not triggered by MediaWiki, and can instead be triggered through the API. So, when ClueBot finds an edit does not meet its standards for reverting it, it would poke the API to send $notification to $userwhomadeedit. Because it's not service-specific, other wikis with their own automated or semi-automated tools could also hook in using the same process.

The problem with tying the notification to something in MediaWiki is that MediaWiki itself really doesn't have a way of recognising edits as 'good' or 'bad' - that's always been handled through bots and user extensions.

(I'd actually argue that this is a good illustration of why a decade of correcting for MediaWiki's flaws by way of the TS, bots, API calls, etc has substantially harmed the efficacy of our product(s) - but this is an essay-sized rant for another day :))
 
Benoît


2013/2/2 Sage Ross <ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com>
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 2 February 2013 03:33, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to give a giant +1 to Chris's suggestion - telling (potential)
>> editors how many other people have read the article is a big motivator. It's
>> logical really, we know this from the Education outreach projects and also
>> from all the GLAM content donations: people REALLY are motivated by the fact
>> that *their* writing and multimedia is being seen by lots of people.
>>
>> Currently that information is rather hidden away in a link to the
>> toolserver via the History tab. If you could bring that information more to
>> the fore it could be really satisfying. For example:
>>  "30 people have looked at your article since you made your edit." or,
>> "350 people have seen this article in the last month" or even "6 other
>> editors have changed this article and 500 people have read it since you last
>> helped edit it". Perhaps you could even give some more complex breakdowns
>> with pageviews by continent?
>>
> The problem with this (or potential problem) is twofold: first, with a large
> number of pages it could get spammy. Second, to my knowledge the toolserver
> and stats.grok.se sites are not run off any kind of live data; they're
> reliant on database dumps. We'd either be plugging into third-party services
> of unknown viability or need to make a request to analytics for them to make
> this kind of data more internally available and transparent, which could be
> a pile of work.
>

The traffic dumps have been running pretty reliably on a daily basis,
so it's close enough to live for this purpose.

Making that more internally available and transparent would be well
worth a modest pile of work, as this is data that we know is very
powerful motivation for many contributors (new and experienced alike).

It would take some experimenting to see what kinds of traffic-related
data are effective in Echo notifications, but the basic concept has a
lot of potential. (And getting article-level traffic data integrated
into our internal infrastructure would be an important step forward
even beyond usage in Echo.)

-Sage

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