No, enwp is a project where *getting*
userrights isn't meant to
be important - in the sense that userrights are not meant to be
something that puts you further up the hierarchy than other
users. That's very different from 'having additional buttons is
not a big deal'.
If someone is given rollback because, hey, an admin has
identified that they're useful and such and might benefit from
it, it's highly beneficial for them to be poked and given a brief
"so you've got this [link to rules about using it|new button
now]". Otherwise we end up with situations where good-faith
contributors get snarked for not following rules nobody informed
them they had to, or for misusing tools they didn't necessarily
understand were a privilege. At the same time, it's nice to have
an actual ping of "your expertise has been recognised, good job".
On 27 March 2013 02:40, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com
<mailto:zhorishna@gmail.com>> wrote:
User rights changes are important? I would think that would
depend entirely on the project, and mww and enwp are two
where such either at least isnt supposed to be a big deal, or
where it really isnt in practice either.
Speaking of no big deal, I wonder if I can talk someone into
making me a crat.
On 26/03/2013 18:55, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hi TheHelpfulOne,
Thanks so much for testing Echo today, and for reporting on
your experience with user rights!
I am also experiencing problems with the user right
notification with this release, even though it worked well
for me earlier. You should be getting notifications both
when a user right is added and removed, as outlined in this
feature requirement:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#User_rights
We will investigate this issue tomorrow. Thanks for bringing
it up!
Regarding your other question about user preferences, each
notification category can be set independently, as described
here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#Receive_Notificatio…
However, system notifications like user right changes cannot
be dismissed, because we believe they are too important.
Besides user rights, this also includes the welcome and get
started messages in this first release.
The other notification where preferences are limited
is 'talk page messages', which now can only be turned off
for email notifications, not for web notifications (because
we believe they are too important to dismiss on the web).
Please let us know if this general plan works for you, or if
you recommend any changes. I am sure this issue will be
discussed again once we deploy on en-wiki, but we are
starting to freeze features so we can have our first release
in early April. ;o)
Cheers,
Fabrice
On Mar 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote:
Hi all,
I've been playing around with Echo on
MediaWiki.org
<http://MediaWiki.org> and noticed that in my preferences I
can configure a number of different notifications. (See
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo)
I've also tested the User Right notifications that were
just deployed and whilst you receive an email when you have
a user right /added /to your account, you don't currently
get one when a user right is /removed /from your account.
That's probably an oversight, but from what I've been told
the option to opt out from any email notifications
intentionally isn't available so as to reduce the number of
preferences for users to configure. Another justification
is that a user is unlikely to have their user rights
changed too often, so email traffic should be minimal.
This seems reasonable, but for future notifications, how
are we going to decide whether something is worth a
preference or not? I'm thinking that anything that
technically affects your editing, e.g. a notification that
you've been blocked or renamed (if Echo supports that in
the future) would be something that probably shouldn't be
opt-out-able.
Can anyone think of any other notifications that should not
be opt-out-able (or does anyone think that all
notifications should be individually opt-out-able?)
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