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Limoke Oscar

18 Jul 2012 18 Jul '12

9:11 p.m.

HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia

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David Mugo

18 Jul 18 Jul

9:17 p.m.

Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Abbas Mahmood

9:33 p.m.

David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

David Mugo

9:44 p.m.

Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Abbas Mahmood

10:19 p.m.

No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Oliver Stegen

10:45 p.m.

Oops, did we forget to mention auditors in our constitution? I agree with Abbas - it's usually pretty standard that the general meeting (or assembly) of an organisation appoints auditors who then report on the financial actions of the organisation as a whole and the board in particular. BT _____ From: Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com] Sent: 18 July 2012 23:20 To: Wikimedia Kenya Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. _____ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. _____ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

David Mugo

11:15 p.m.

Abbas, You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets. What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve officially to the board. On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this is a good time to do so. David. On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

...

No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Stephen Wanjau

19 Jul 19 Jul

5:51 a.m.

Hello! I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet. They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012 after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in. Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter. regards, Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Limoke Oscar

6:34 a.m.

Point of correction to Hugo WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and the Audit committee can do that. Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to make the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another muscle stant? And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau" <stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke> wrote:

...

No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Abbas Mahmood

6:50 a.m.

Alex, Indeed. After all, the bylaws clearly state that "All accounts, books, securities and any other relevant documents of the company must be available for inspection free of charge by _any_ member upon request". Oscar,I am also curious about the per diem issue. I inquired from the Treasurer and was told that there were some "personal dues" and "personal issues" that need to be resolved. I don't know what that means. I must say that I am very disappointed by the fact that Wikimedia Kenya volunteers went to the United States without being given a per diem, especially bearing in mind that there was a Board Majority Approval requesting the treasurer to issue out a per diem. No offence to the Board but if you guys are incapacitated and can not execute the resolutions you make, then it makes us, as members, question your mandate and power. --Abbas. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:34:13 +0300 From: oslimoke(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Point of correction to Hugo WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and the Audit committee can do that. Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to make the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another muscle stant? And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau" <stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke> wrote: Hello! I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet. They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012 after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in. Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter. regards, Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Abbas, You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets. What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve officially to the board. On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this is a good time to do so. David. On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. I PROPOSE at UoN grounds this Saturday? ps: Please come along with our per diems Via my Xperia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Wikimedia Kenya. 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Grace Kariuki

7:47 a.m.

I agree with David on the issue of the board meeting first.however,there seems to be very major transparency issues in the board.From what i have gathered and the kenyan wikimedians need serious clarification on,Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for some of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass). on this note,who is speaking the truth becoz then how can we trust the board to solve this issue objectively.I agrree with Oscar,lets all meet this Saturday n review the financials becoz from what i can see from the expenditure,there is a clear lack of responsibility from the treasuer in carrying out his role in a proper and transparent role. Steve,Oscar,alex and abbass,there are receipts that you havent yet submitted from the expense sheet that steve submitted.i would reccommend that all the board members submit the pending recepits on sat.same to chris and anyone else whose reciepts are pending. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Alex, Indeed. After all, the bylaws clearly state that "All accounts, books, securities and any other relevant documents of the company must be available for inspection free of charge by _any_ member upon request". Oscar, I am also curious about the per diem issue. I inquired from the Treasurer and was told that there were some "personal dues" and "personal issues" that need to be resolved. I don't know what that means. I must say that I am very disappointed by the fact that Wikimedia Kenya volunteers went to the United States without being given a per diem, especially bearing in mind that there was a Board Majority Approval requesting the treasurer to issue out a per diem. No offence to the Board but if you guys are incapacitated and can not execute the resolutions you make, then it makes us, as members, question your mandate and power. --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:34:13 +0300 From: oslimoke(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Point of correction to Hugo WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and the Audit committee can do that. Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to make the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another muscle stant? And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau" <stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke> wrote: Hello! I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet. They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012 after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in. Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter. regards, Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Abbas, You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets. What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve officially to the board. On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this is a good time to do so. David. On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: No, I disagree. The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can be then made publicly). Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Abbas, My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a board. Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: David, What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you ensure that there's accountability? Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera? --Abbas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300 From: raidarmax(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials Oscar, Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me. Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed underground. David. On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar" <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: HI Team, IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals. Please Treasure make plans to avail the same. 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Limoke Oscar

7:52 a.m.

Grace, Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for some

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of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).

Grace Kariuki

7:58 a.m.

thats why we should all meet on sat and discuss.on that note also,since the chapters money was in steve's account,for accountability issues and for us to clearly know what amounts we have left,i think steve should present his bank statement so that we can stop dealing with assumptions and deal with what is actually there. I dont know what the team thinks about this. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Grace, Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for

some of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).

What Board and what arrangements? This is ridiculous to accuse the Board to having okayed WMKE expenditure on personal reasons. I wasn't and am not privy to this.Unless of-course there is a parallel board that I am not part of. Regards, Limoke Oscar, "*point me to the destiny,and I will curve my own path to it *" _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Kosgei Isaac

10:24 a.m.

Hi, I think saturday meet up is a nice idea. We should sort out this issue as soon as possible. I find it unethical for the treasurer to say he can't give us the per diem which the board approved and yet he and Alex awarded themselves per diem when they were going to Germany and the board/ chapter members were not made aware of this till our last meet up when we were discussing about our travel to Wikimania, I just talked to Steve and he says that the money was not budgeted for, May I remind him to look at the discussion page for Grant application, it is Asaf who proposed an addition of 1000 for travel, so the question is, where is this Money? I am very concerned about our financials and I hope that everything will be sorted Asap, Isaac On Jul 19, 2012 8:58 AM, "Grace Kariuki" <gkariuki99(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Grace, Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for

some of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).

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Limoke Oscar

10:38 a.m.

That being Said, Saturday it is at UoN Grounds ( Near the Fountain of Knowledge). I guess the agenda is all set out: * * *Agenda:* 1. WMKE Financial Status---Steve 2. New Bank Account for WMKE and transiting of remaining funds to it by Treasurer.---Steve 3. Wiki Loves Monuments Project Proposal----Oscar 4. Membership Structure and fee---All 5. Wikimania Per diems---All attendees 6. AOB Please NOTE : 1. that this will not be the place to audit Expenditures made by the treasurer, the Audit Committee that so far only has one Member (Abbas) and the Board will do this later. However the Statements of Expenditures will be made available to the members. Not to discuss but digest. 2. The meeting deliberations will be binding to all members (present or absent according to our Bylaws) Regards, Limoke Oscar, Vice Chair- Wikimedia Kanya +254717845316 [[user:Mpmayenge]]

Gerrard kosgei

10:47 a.m.

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Oscar,

Please specify the time.

Grace Kariuki

10:51 a.m.

Oscar,kindly include discussion of who the new signatories to the new chapters account will be on the agenda.I think its very crucial before we open the new account. On other matters,i wish to volunteer to be on the audit committee.I have a background in accounts and finance and its my opinion that the audit commitee should be independent from the board to ensure transparency and accountability. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Gerrard kosgei <gerrardkosgei(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Oscar,

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Limoke Oscar

10:57 a.m.

Calendar Invite Done, *Time: 11am-1pm* See you,

Gerrard kosgei

10:57 a.m.

Also on that note I am not sure if i qualify but i can volunteer my services as an auditor. I am a CPA (K).

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Limoke Oscar

11 a.m.

yes sure you can Gerrard, we are an open and voluntary movement. *Be Bold* and feel welcome On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Gerrard kosgei <gerrardkosgei(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Also on that note I am not sure if i qualify but i can volunteer my services as an auditor. I am a CPA (K).

Grace Kariuki

11 a.m.

HiGerrald, Avail urself for the meeting,the audit commitee selection will be done then. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Limoke Oscar <limoke(a)wikimedia.or.ke>wrote;wrote:

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Gerrard kosgei

11:25 a.m.

Oscar and Grace Thank you. i will be there.

Abbas Mahmood

1:13 p.m.

Oscar, Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email. If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out. Thanks,Abbas.

Grace Kariuki

1:30 p.m.

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Ann Njeri

2:10 p.m.

I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the financial questions that are being posed. Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet. see you then On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki <gkariuki99(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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David Mugo

2:29 p.m.

Guys, I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early, but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with finances and the board. David. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Limoke Oscar

2:33 p.m.

GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up. BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions. Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo" <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Stephen Wanjau

2:36 p.m.

I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them. Thank you .Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up. BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions. Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo" <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Team, abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver). On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote: > Oscar, > > Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial > statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be > emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their > homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability > -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email. > > If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out. > > Thanks, > Abbas. > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaKE mailing list > WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake > > _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Abbas Mahmood

3:25 p.m.

Steve, It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I asked: What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to not issuing the per diem? Isaac also asked: Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the start up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up One more thing: Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof that the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account. You can go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's statement of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount remaining from Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter from the bank confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account, there would be no reason to ask for a bank statement. --Abbas. From: stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300 To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them. Thank you .Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up. BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions. Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo" <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Guys, I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early, but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with finances and the board. David. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote: I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the financial questions that are being posed. Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet. see you then On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki <gkariuki99(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Team, abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver). On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Oscar, Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email. If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out. Thanks,Abbas. _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- ------------- David Mugo, Adviser to Kenya's VP on Digital Media & Technology, CEO & Board Chairman, Wikimedia Kenya http://mugo.me Twitter: @raidarmax _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Wikimedia Kenya. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Help us make it a reality! All our projects. www.wikimedia.org Donate to Wikimedia _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Alex Wafula

21 Jul 21 Jul

11:24 a.m.

Today's Agenda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Finance-meeting On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Steve, It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I asked: What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to not issuing the per diem? Isaac also asked: Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the start up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up One more thing: Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof that the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account. You can go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's statement of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount remaining from Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter from the bank confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account, there would be no reason to ask for a bank statement. --Abbas. ------------------------------ From: stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300 To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them. Thank you .Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up. BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions. Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo" <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Guys, I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early, but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with finances and the board. David. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote: I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the financial questions that are being posed. Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet. see you then On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki <gkariuki99(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: Hi Team, abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver). On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote: Oscar, Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email. If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out. Thanks, Abbas. _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- ------------- David Mugo, Adviser to Kenya's VP on Digital Media & Technology, CEO & Board Chairman, Wikimedia Kenya http://mugo.me Twitter: @raidarmax _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Wikimedia Kenya. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Help us make it a reality! All our projects. www.wikimedia.org Donate to Wikimedia <https://donate.wikimedia.org/> _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

David Mugo

11:29 a.m.

Someone give me a Skype ID to call... On Jul 21, 2012 4:24 AM, "Alex Wafula" <xelawafs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Today's Agenda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Finance-meeting On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Steve, It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I asked: What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to not issuing the per diem? Isaac also asked: Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the start up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up One more thing: Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof that the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account. You can go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's statement of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount remaining from Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter from the bank confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account, there would be no reason to ask for a bank statement. --Abbas. ------------------------------ From: stevewanjau(a)wikimedia.or.ke Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300 To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them. Thank you .Stephen. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote: GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up. BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions. Via my Xperia On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo" <raidarmax(a)gmail.com> wrote: Guys, I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early, but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with finances and the board. David. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote: I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the financial questions that are being posed. Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet. see you then On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki <gkariuki99(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: Hi Team, abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver). On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote: Oscar, Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email. If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out. Thanks, Abbas. _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- ------------- David Mugo, Adviser to Kenya's VP on Digital Media & Technology, CEO & Board Chairman, Wikimedia Kenya http://mugo.me Twitter: @raidarmax _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Wikimedia Kenya. "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Help us make it a reality! All our projects. www.wikimedia.org Donate to Wikimedia <https://donate.wikimedia.org/> _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Kipruto Bett

11:32 a.m.

Can I also join via skype?

Limoke Oscar

19 Jul 19 Jul

1:32 p.m.

Abbas, The meeting will be both and I think the agenda is up for changes.

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Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial

statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via emaail I dint know you had sort for answers in vain.in that case,we should probably just make this an accountability meeting where we will be taken through all our finances by the treasurer Steve, Please share the doc with all members by kesho morning?

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If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.

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Alex Wafula

6:30 a.m.

I don't think such a meetup should be contested and in accordance with our bylaws, the Board should be audited by the CHAPTER. But from my knowledge there are usually two reports, unaudited (from the board) and audited (from the audit committee - released to public), otherwise what will you be auditing? alex On 7/18/12, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Abbas Mahmood
Alex Wafula
Ann Njeri
David Mugo
Gerrard kosgei
Grace Kariuki
Kipruto Bett
Kosgei Isaac
Limoke Oscar
Limoke Oscar
Oliver Stegen
Stephen Wanjau