In other languages, Google Translate seems to be working fairly well. Google Kenya has
alot of work to do with Swahili, though...
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:46:40 +0300
From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com
To: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org; wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Hi,I cannot understand anything.It looks to me like just an arrangement of words!!
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
REGARDS,
2011/4/22 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>
PS: To those of you who’re still
convinced of Google translator’s effectiveness when it comes to
translating between English and Swahili; just look at its translation of my
first paragraph and decide for yourself how much you understand (and whether
you’d want such a translation in Wikipedia):
Nina
J'mosi
something
about
the
Wikipedia. Mkichangia
articles
Kiswahili
(
http://sw.wikipedia.org) Do not use while the translation
of
Google
(
http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) indiscriminately. First you must
ensure
that
the
target
article
ijaandikwa
yet. If not you can delete the
information
that
zimeshaingizwa
another. So it did e.g. just yesterday
with an article
of
author
Marjorie
Oludhe
Macgoye
Kenya,
look here:
http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=…
It is true, in part a translation
of the
Google
of yesterday
had
improved
article
on
November 16, 2010
except
for
the greater
part
was
badly
affect, eg [[Category]] zilirudishwa
all
the
[[Category]], and "category" false and also
a link
to
[[fi:]] kilifutwa
and
many
other
things. Do not do
it. It is the use of such distraction
that
our
old
wikipedia
yamemkasirisha
Pala. He is a "bureaucrat" to rely so often help. Msimkasirishe. Thank you!
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
From:
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On Behalf Of Oliver Stegen
Sent: 22 April 2011 07:44
To: 'The discussion list for the
upcoming Wikimedia Kenya
chapter.'
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya]
WikiSaturday
Sawa.
[Caveat:
The following is some detailed advice about contributing to the Swahili
wikipedia, esp. how to avoid Google translator due to problems of over-writing
articles and how to use some wiki conventions.]
Nina jambo lingine kuhusu J’mosi ya
Wikipedia. Mkichangia makala za Kiswahili (
http://sw.wikipedia.org) msitumie
kitambo cha utafsiri cha Google (
http://translate.google.com/toolkit/)
ovyoovyo. Kwanza
lazima kuhakikisha kwamba makala lengwa haijaandikwa bado. Msipofanya hivyo
mngeweza kufuta habari ambazo zimeshaingizwa na mwingine. Ndivyo ilivyofanyika
k.m. jana tu na makala ya mwandishi wa Kenya Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye, angalieni
hapa:
http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=…
Ni kweli, kwa sehemu mtafsiri wa Google wa
jana aliboresha makala ya tarehe 16 Novemba 2010 ila kwa sehemu kubwa zaidi
aliiathiri vibaya, k.m. [[Jamii]] zote zilirudishwa kwenye [[Category]], tena
“category” za uongo; pia kiungo cha [[fi:]] kilifutwa na mambo
mengi mengineyo. Msifanye hivyo.
Ni matumizi ya ovyo kama hayo ambayo
yamemkasirisha mzee wetu wa wikipedia Kipala. Naye ni “bureaucrat”
kwa hivyo mtamtegemea mara kwa mara kuwasaidieni. Msimkasirishe. Asanteni!
Kwa mashauri mengine, angalieni
nilivyomwandikia ndugu yetu Limoke mwaka jana
(
http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mpmayenge):
Ndugu Limoke, salaam! Wakati wa shindano, makala nyingi zimeanzishwa
bila kuwekewa yaliyomo hata kidogo, nasi wanawikipedia hatukuwa na nafasi ya
kurekebisha sana.
Kwa hiyo sasa, naomba tusaidiane kusawazisha hizo makala. Kwa mfano, ungeweza
kuanza kwa kuangalia orodha ya makala
bila jamii. Bila shaka utagundua kadhaa ambazo ni duni, labda yenye maneno
mawili matatu tu. Ndivyo nilivyogundua k.m. na makala ya Henri Fayol, mhandisi
Mfaransa wa karne ya 19. Sasa ukiangalia mabadiliko
niliyoyaingiza utapata mambo ya msingi ya wikipedia. K.m. naingiza kigezo
cha {{DEFAULTSORT}} kwa ajili ya
orodha ya makala katika jamii ifuate alfabeti vizuri. Tena naingiza jamii za
miaka ya kuzaliwa (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliozaliwa
1841]]) na ya kufariki (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliofariki
1925]]). Pia, ikiwa ni makala fupi bila maelezo mengi, naingiza
kigezo cha {{mbegu-mtu}} (yaani kama ni mtu). Hatimaye, naingiza kiungo kwa wikipedia ya
Kiingereza (k.m. [[en:Henri Fayol]])
ambapo naweza kupata code kwa picha ya mtu (k.m. [[Image:Fonds henri
fayol.jpg|thumb|right|Henri Fayol]])
pamoja na habari nyingine. Nitashukuru kwa msaada wako katika kuboresha makala
mpya zilizoachwa duni. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 07:17,
3 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Ndugu Limoke, asante kwa jibu lako. Nimefurahi kusikia
kuwa utaendelea. Unisamehe nikiendelea kuandika kuhusu usafishaji wa wikipedia
baada ya shindano. Sababu hasa ni kwamba tukiendelea kuboresha makala
zilizoongezeka, tuwe makini. Kabla hatujaongeza au kurekebisha habari za makala
fulani, lazima tuangalie majadiliano na ukurasa wa historia ya makala hiyo.
Angalia k.m. makala ya uchumi. Ukiihariri bila kuangalia majadiliano yake wala historia
yake, inawezekana utaongeza kazi ya
baadaye kwa vile tafsiri za shindano zilizofuta makala za zamani (pamoja na
jamii na interwiki zake) hazijaunganishwa. Nitaendelea kutafuta makala kama
hiyo na kuziandikia katika majadiliano yake. Kwa ajili ya kuunganisha tafsiri
mbili au zaidi, labda itasaidia ukifungua zote, kila moja katika dirisha lake,
na kunakilisha sehemu za makala za zamani kwenda katika makala ya sasa. Pole na
kazi. Na asante kwa kazi yako. (Pia, ukiandika kwenye kurasa za majadiliano,
ungeweza kutia sahihi kwa kutaipu ~~~~
ukiwa umesajiliwa kama Limoke oscar.) Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 04:08, 4
Februari
2010 (UTC)
Mkiangalia historia ya
makala ya uchumi iliyotajwa hapo juu, mtaona kwamba tafsiri zote za
„Challenge“ zilirejeshwa. Tusifanye kazi bure walivyofanya hao.
Sina lingine kwa sasa ila
kuwatakieni mafanikio mema siku ya J’mosi ya Wikipedia. Asanteni!
Ni mimi, Baba Tabita (aka
Oliver)
From:
Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com]
Sent: 21 April 2011 19:28
To: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org; 'The
discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'
Subject: RE: [Wikimedia Kenya]
WikiSaturday
It is supposed to be on 30th.
From: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org
To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya]
WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April
30, not April 23 … ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home
as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
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[mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA
Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01
To: The discussion list for the upcoming
Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya]
Survey
Greetings all, hoping
everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will
start mine
tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday,
if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
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