Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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No objections from me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

...

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

...

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

...

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com

wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote: On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote: Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

- line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db - line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); - line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { - line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; - line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; - line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; - line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers, TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

...

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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TacPol & Kudpung, my problem is that https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-articleinfo/index.php?pageid=161136&pro... says "No revisions found", on a page that I have updated.

Other messages are getting thru, which is encouraging. "Caution: Replication lag is high ..."

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:10 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I am not familiar with the actual configuration of xTools but from the information available at Wikimedia the settings appears to be okay - https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs#Database_access

Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 5 Jul, 2015, at 4:00 pm, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null)

{

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

...

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers, TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

...

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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And also just to add that I have reviewed the __construct and query functions in the Database2 class - the functions seem to have used the right mysqli functions although I am not quite sure what’s going on with the multipleQuery function.

Cheers, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 5 Jul, 2015, at 4:00 pm, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 1138 class Database2{ My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote: Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers, TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

...

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

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On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis <tekftu4q@gmail.com mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com> wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote: On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote: Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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This code is really making me bang my head against the wall. It looks, but is broken. For god sakes where is the broken code? Wbm1058 made a suggestion which I’m going to look at.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

* line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db * line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); * line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { * line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; * line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools . […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally. On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null)

{

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

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Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related: FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180 FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. *Cyberpower678*,* TaqPol* ,* Ancheta Wis* or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13 On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

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Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally. On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

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Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki,

$dbnameIn=null) {

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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No problem, but maybe we could someone else working on articleinfo in the meantime? If someone is able to get the application running locally I think that will be a big step for us.

On 6 July 2015 at 11:54, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

If no one objects, I would like to get the Wikihistory tool working on xTools first, so we have a working tool. Afterwards, I’ll look at articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 11:44 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related:

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. *Cyberpower678*,* TaqPol*,* Ancheta Wis* or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13

On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally.

On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null)

{

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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I can try to get articleinfo working on my Mac; I don't know if I'll succeed or how much help I can be if it does succeed. (Another email coming.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I’ve attempted that on my windows platform, I can’t get it running because of redis. VirtualBox for some reason doesn’t want to install on my computer. Sorry. Otherwise I would have been able to debug right on the spot, and get the tool working ages ago. It sucks that I can’t tie my debugger into it. L

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

No problem, but maybe we could someone else working on articleinfo in the meantime? If someone is able to get the application running locally I think that will be a big step for us.

On 6 July 2015 at 11:54, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

If no one objects, I would like to get the Wikihistory tool working on xTools first, so we have a working tool. Afterwards, I’ll look at articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 11:44 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related:

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. *Cyberpower678*,* TaqPol*,* Ancheta Wis* or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13

On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally.

On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null)

{

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

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Looks like we've had some help debugging at User talk:Cyberpower678#Debugging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678#Debugging. Just a heads up that we should probably try to centralize such on-wiki discussions at Wikipedia talk:XTools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:XTools.

On 6 July 2015 at 12:09, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks L235. Not sure if you are familiar with it, but I recommend using Homebrew http://brew.sh/ to install dependencies like Redis.

On 6 July 2015 at 12:02, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

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I can try to get articleinfo working on my Mac; I don't know if I'll succeed or how much help I can be if it does succeed. (Another email coming.)

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

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I’ve attempted that on my windows platform, I can’t get it running because of redis. VirtualBox for some reason doesn’t want to install on my computer. Sorry. Otherwise I would have been able to debug right on the spot, and get the tool working ages ago. It sucks that I can’t tie my debugger into it. L

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No problem, but maybe we could someone else working on articleinfo in the meantime? If someone is able to get the application running locally I think that will be a big step for us.

On 6 July 2015 at 11:54, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

If no one objects, I would like to get the Wikihistory tool working on xTools first, so we have a working tool. Afterwards, I’ll look at articleinfo.

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Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related:

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. *Cyberpower678*,* TaqPol*,* Ancheta Wis* or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13

On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally.

On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki,

$dbnameIn=null) {

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

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At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

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MusikAnimal, rather than my having to administer access to my Linux systems, perhaps we might also use the virtual machine instances which are available at wikimedia's tool labs:

https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs#No_.22instances.22

All we have to do is ask, in behalf of the xTools development effort. It's a lot more pleasant to develop in a group. Less of a feeling of being alone with problems that no one else is aware of.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related: FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180 FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. *Cyberpower678*,* TaqPol*,* Ancheta Wis* or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

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MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13 On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

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Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally. On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

• line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
• line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
• line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki,

$dbnameIn=null) {

• line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
• line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
• line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that *I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October*.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'*Wikimedia Labs* was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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I got past the Redis issue, but where is the NumberFormatter class?

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English Wikipedia Account Creation Team

Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ancheta Wis Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:35 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

MusikAnimal, rather than my having to administer access to my Linux systems, perhaps we might also use the virtual machine instances which are available at wikimedia's tool labs:

https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs#No_.22instances.22

All we have to do is ask, in behalf of the xTools development effort. It's a lot more pleasant to develop in a group. Less of a feeling of being alone with problems that no one else is aware of.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related:

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. Cyberpower678, TaqPol, Ancheta Wis or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php &A should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench .

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13

On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally.

On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

Cyberpower678

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Mailing List Moderator

From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

* line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db * line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); * line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { * line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; * line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools . […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis tekftu4q@gmail.com wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

Cyberpower678

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" l235@l235.net wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

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Just butting in again here to mention that whether they are X-Tools or not, none of the user ed counters are working today. If these are server capacity problems please be sure to inform who ever is responsible for maintaining the rvers and insist that they understand that thsor data provided by these tools is not needed just out of idle curiosity - we really need to consult them for urgent business such as blocking and unlocking users, just for example, and they are holding stuff up.

Thank you for listening.

Kudpung

On 7Jul, 2015, at 21:35, Eugene Lee leee@mit.edu wrote:

http://php.net/manual/en/class.numberformatter.php http://php.net/manual/en/class.numberformatter.php

--leee

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: I got past the Redis issue, but where is the NumberFormatter class?

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MusikAnimal, rather than my having to administer access to my Linux systems, perhaps we might also use the virtual machine instances which are available at wikimedia's tool labs:

https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs#No_.22instances.22 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs#No_.22instances.22 All we have to do is ask, in behalf of the xTools development effort. It's a lot more pleasant to develop in a group. Less of a feeling of being alone with problems that no one else is aware of.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM, MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again.

Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related:

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180

FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154

This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. Cyberpower678, TaqPol, Ancheta Wis or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform.

For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A http://stackoverflow.com/questions/464317/connect-to-a-mysql-server-over-ssh-in-php should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database#Configuring_MySQL_Workbench.

Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly.

On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13

On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally.

On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" <tekftu4q@gmail.com mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com> wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 1138 class Database2{ My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis <tekftu4q@gmail.com mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com> wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

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At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" <cs@edubkk.org mailto:cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia <l235@l235.net mailto:l235@l235.net> wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal <musikanimal@gmail.com mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

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I’ve got a big exam tomorrow, so the porting will start tomorrow evening.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:33 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

That looks like good news. I would be mindful of ‘temporary’ solutions though. If it works, keep it forever and move on to other urgent issues. If any GUI instructions are needed to be translated from German to English, let me have them, but I will NOT insert them directly into the code - that is someone else’s job.

Kudpung

On 5 Jul 2015, at 20:21, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13

On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" < mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com tekftu4q@gmail.com> wrote:

Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers :

I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php

What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code

* line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db * line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); * line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { * line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; * line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; * line 1138 class Database2{

My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol < mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I presume this response is directed to myself.

I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.

Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.

Cheers,

TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris < mailto:cs@edubkk.org cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:

'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)

'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MPelletier_%28WMF%29 Marc-André Pelletier to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Migration_of_Toolserver_tools mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.

We are now in the middle of 2015.

Kudpung

On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis < mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com tekftu4q@gmail.com> wrote:

C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ...

I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.

I have to say that once something like [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture.

--[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta]

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" < mailto:l235@l235.net l235@l235.net> wrote:

Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.

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From: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation

At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" < mailto:l235@l235.net l235@l235.net> wrote:

I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.

Thanks,

L235

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13

On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" < mailto:cs@edubkk.org cs@edubkk.org> wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia < mailto:l235@l235.net l235@l235.net> wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol < mailto:taqpol.wiki@icloud.com taqpol.wiki@icloud.com> wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal < mailto:musikanimal@gmail.com musikanimal@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

Cyberpower678

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From: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: mailto:xtools@lists.wikimedia.org xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

mailto:TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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Hi, I think your concern is quite valid, although I have to emphasise that my commitment, like that of L235, is a minimum.  I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that. I do anticipate putting in 12 hours or more into the project each week during the summer at the end, although this, unlike my previous commitment, is not a guarantee. Unfortunately, when school year kicks in in October in the amount of time I can put in is really unpredictable and hence why I put in a lower commitment. Hope that help easing some of your concern, although the final decision of whether I should be allowed into the team, of course, lies with the current xTools team and I respect whatever decision you make. Cheers, TaqPol

On Jul 05, 2015, at 02:47 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I  realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote: Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account? Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: He’s got my thumbs up.  Any objections?   Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator   From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin   Hello,   I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.    I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.    I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.   I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.   Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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I don't see it that way, not quite anyways. We currently have enough open slots for that, but there will be a point where there will just be too many cooks in the kitchen and managing who is doing what will be a hassle. We're not there yet, but I see it happening. That's the kind of situation where we have a nickel holding up a dollar. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 10:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

That is like saying you only collect dollars, and leave the pennies alone. But if you collect enough pennies you have a dollar again. The more people we recruit that can spare at least an hour the more that will get done.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 9:48 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Organisation

I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.

I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.

Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.

Kudpung

On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia l235@l235.net wrote:

No objections from me.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol taqpol.wiki@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.

I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.

Best wishes,

TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?

Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.

On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *TaqPol *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin

Hello,

I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.

I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.

I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.

I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.

Best wishes,

TaqPol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol

TaqPol.wiki@icloud.com

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