Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo.
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I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13
What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code
- line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db
- line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools");
- line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) {
- line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
- line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb";
- line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb";
- line 1138 class Database2{
My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production?
I presume this response is directed to myself.
I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October.
Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years.
I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone:
'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs)
'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014.
We are now in the middle of 2015.
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I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection.
On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13
Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.)
The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do.
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At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13
I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project.
I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13
I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place.
I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency.
Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia.
I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects.
I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet.
Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account?
Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated.
He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections?
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I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia.
I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc.
I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine.
I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time.
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