oh? so, i can't embed youtube, slideshare, etc.?
that was about to be my next step...
please share more about this aspect - which oer wiki can best allow me
to embed such externally hosted content?
Leigh Blackall wrote:
Many thanks Cormac! As always, what you've said is
fare and well
considered. I agree that there has been polarisation in responses,
nothing intentional, just a sign of something underneath the WV and WE
projects I think... and the fact that the communication reduced to the
WE list is simply because someone along the line did not reply all and
everyone else got lazy. Thanks for bringing it back to both. Perhaps
it would be worth considering a shared discussion forum not just
between the two! A list for OER.. but then the little man inside me
says, oh please not another list!
The media commons, actually, not just the media commons, what about
the Archive too? and any other repositories of free and open media..
it would be fantastic to see smoother use of such media in compatible
projects like WV and WE. But, quick and easy embedding of 3rd party
media has been a rather furious debate on the WE list in the past, as
I'm sure it would be on the WV list. Its gone quiet on WE lately, but
boy I'd like to see it come alive again, but only so I can have it my
way!... :) It would be such a brilliant thing to be able to quickly
mashup free content like Flickr CC,
Archive.org <http://Archive.org>
audio and video, Blip.tv <http://Blip.tv>, Ourmedia, and
WikimediaCommons.. all of these have a variety of CC By and/or SA
equivalent content, not to mention Public Domain. But, perhaps its not
possible in these arenas, perhaps its a business idea for Google or
Yahoo... but then we will suddenly see the arse drop out of both WE
and WV I think...
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com
<mailto:cormaggio@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, I would like to clear up a few of what I see as
misunderstandings in this thread (and absolutely not necessarily
in the mail I'm replying to :-))...
There is a perception that Wikiversity is more oriented around the
developed than the developing world. This is completely untrue.
The fact that a majority of the people in Wikiversity right now
are from developed countries is because it does not have the same
exposure, connections, and organisational background that
Wikieducator has. It is true that Wikieducator is in large part
oriented towards the developing world - but that does not mean
that Wikiversity is somehow the opposite. On the contrary - a
large (and core) part of the Wikimedia community have spent years
actively searching for ways to service the developing world, and
to increase participation from the developing world (for one
example see
<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikipedia_Academies>).
The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) is *not* a US-centric organisation
- in its goals, in its operation (though it is based in the US),
nor in its funding - what Brent pointed out is that *Wikieducator*
has had funding from a US body (as well as the CoL), and so there
is, again, no clear distinction on a US/developed/ing world level.
*Both* organisations have a variety of modes of funding - though
Wikimedia is predominantly reliant on public donations, meaning
that it is in a continual struggle for funds. I would say this is
much more the reason behind the WMF not appearing to some people
(including Brent) to do a lot for Wikiversity - it is absolutely
not the case that the WMF doesn't "give a toss" - again, quite the
opposite. That things don't get done very quickly is quite simply
because the WMF is still evolving into a structured organisation,
and having inevitable teething problems along the way (as Brent
points out). But the fact that Wikieducator has had funding from
UNESCO does not mean that it is somehow more international - it is
down to it having a better evolved organisational context (even
if that is simply "Wayne" :-) - in other words, I don't know
exactly how Wikieducator is organised). And more organisational
(as opposed to community) oversight of the technology is also why
Wikieducator has been more free to experiment with the technical
extrensions than Wikiversity has (though this is something I
wonder about from a WMF perspective, I must admit).
Oh yes - Wikiversity is for content too! I know some people have
argued against this (for various reasons), but Wikiversity is
absolutely set up to develop a repository of educational content -
as well as trying to develop a wiki-based learning space. This
latter agenda much more reflects the interests of a few core
Wikiversity people - including myself, Brent, JWSchmidt, and
others - than the whole Wikiversity/Wikimedia community.
That's more or less the parts of this discussion that I was
worried about. I think Leigh asked good questions, but I fear that
some of the responses have tended to polarise some of the issues
more than needs doing. I'm also frustrated and perplexed by some
of the same things that Leigh mentions - mainly, for me, more than
anything else, the lack of sharing *experiences*. I think we
should be doing this much more but aren't - for example, this
thread started between both mailing lists, but has now been
channelled into just one, leaving out the Wikiversity community
who haven't joined this list :-( (ie the vast majority) - which is
why I'm replying to both lists.
Just on one more technical extension, James asked if there was a
way of adding commons images into other wikis - yes, there's a
proposed feature called InstantCommons
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons>, which will work on
all mediawiki wikis, though I don't know how close to
implementation it is. In fact, it strikes me that this is another
really great thing to be working on as *joint projects* - develop
technical wishlists and write proposals to fund their development.
(This is what has happened with the PediaPress initiative, btw.)
So, that's about it for the moment. Maybe my clarifications went
beyond what was actually said in this thread, but I felt it might
be useful to say them anyway. :-)
Cheers,
Cormac
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:47 PM, James Neill <lists(a)wilderdom.com
<mailto:lists@wilderdom.com>> wrote:
thanks for these thoughts everyone (brent, leigh, etc.) - i
remain open
and persuadable
perhaps the answer for me is to use/try both
can i (automatically) use wiki commons stuff in wikieducator -
that was
one of my main considerations - if i go under a bus tomorrow i
would
like to have left my material is the most readily accessible and
re-usable location
will wiki commons ALLOW non-WM foundation wikis to be able to
automatically use content? i.e., is this just a matter of
wikieducator
setting up to do so - or is it a matter of wiki commons being
set up to
do so? easy inter-wiki sharing/use from an author's POV is
most attractive
in teaching a university course, i can see a basic structure
which i
could replicate and teach colleagues to use:
- open textbook on wikibooks
- course-related structure and learning activities on wikiversity
(again, the inter-wikiness here is attractive)
i haven't yet quite been able to visualise such a separation of
materials on wikieducator
maybe i can get over my allergic sense of post-colonialism in
wikieducator - since other's i respect suggest its a non-issue
(and
correctly brent points out the potential for WM's US-centric
funding) -
it's just that i kind of thought the commonwealth was dead in
the new
world order - e.g. is there a wikieducator type model being
pursued at a
UN level?
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