Bonjour
Je m'excuse de parler en français, mais on anglais est très mauvais.
Pour la wikiversité francophone, le point important est de proposer des cours. On ne veut surtout pas aller dans le travail de wikibooks qui propose des livres pédagogique.
Pour faire ce travail, il y a déjà une organisation de la présentation avec l'utilisation des noms d'espaces de travail. La wikiversité se décomposé dans un système identique à ce que l'on peut voir dans une université en France : La wikiversité est découpé en faculté, chaque faculté en département ( certains départements étant commun à 2 facultés car parlant d'une même connaissance). Chaque département propose des cours selon un thème ou un niveau. et chaque cours se compose de plusieurs chapitre, annexe et exercices permettant au lecteurs d'apprendre.
un système de navigateur permet d'aller d'un chapitre au suivant, et aussi au précédent afin de pouvoir relire un paragraphe. Dans les chapitres il y a possibilité d'aller faire des exercices afin de savoir si les connaissance acquises le sont bien.
Chaque leçons à des référents, c'est à dires des personnes qui, soit on écrit ou aider à écrire la leçons, soit sont des personnes qui ont des connaissances qui peuvent aider d'autres personnes.
Les pages de discussion des chapitres sont là pour que les utilisateurs puissent poser des questions ( cela évite de spammer les pages de discussion des utilisateurs qui sont référents). Le but étant que la question qui a été posée viennent modifier le chapitre afin de l'améliorer.
Avec ce système, wikibooks et wikiversités sont totalement indépendant, sauf, pour le moment, avec tout ce qui est lié à l'informatique, car on remarque que, dès que l'on fait une leçons dans la wikiversité, on se retrouve directement avec un livre de type pédagogiques, donc c'est pour wikibooks
On 11/14/07, David Crochet crochet.david@online.fr wrote:
Bonjour
Je m'excuse de parler en français, mais on anglais est très mauvais.
I mostly understand the above :-), but it would be great if someone could translate at least the gist of the rest of this mail into English...
Cormac
Bonjour
A "not perfect" translation from my mail, but I hope you will understand most of what I meant
For the french wikiversity, the important work is to propose lessons. We did not want to do the work of wikibooks is proposing educational books
To make this work, there is already an organization of the presentation using names of "workspaces". The wikiversité be decomposed into a system identical to what can be see at a university in France: The wikiversité is divided into faculty, each faculty is divided into departments (some departments are common to 2 faculties because speaking the same knowledge). Each department offers courses on a theme or a level. Each course consists of several chapter, annex and exercises, allowing readers to learn.
A browser systeme allows you to go from one chapter to the next, and also to the previous order to be able to read a paragraph. In the chapters there is opportunity to go do exercises to determine if the acquired knowledge is good. Each lesson has referents, ie persons who, either written or help write the lessons, or are people who have knowledge that can help other people ; not people who want to learn (which normally only visitors wikiversity, contributors are usually people who can just help readers)
The pages of discussion of the chapters are there so that users can ask questions (this avoids to spamm discussion pages of users who are referents). The goal is that the question that was asked just amend chapter to improve it. And as is almost always the same questions often, the pages of discussion precisely to allow visitors to see the questions that have already been asked and thus avoids the end asking 36 times the same question
With this system, wikibooks and wikiversités are totally independent, except for the time being, with everything that is related to computer science, because we see that as soon as there was some lessons in the wikiversité we end up directly with a book like teaching, so it's to wikibooks (in France we have a book entitled "Open Office for 'Dummies'", "Words for 'Dummies'", "Coreldraw for 'Dummies'", and so on. have As often educational books, for the time being, they prefer whatsoever wikibooks which manages documents of this type. Perhaps one day with interactive learning courses of this type come enlarge wikiversité)
Any excuse for my errors of translation, if any, but to make simple (yes, I am ashamed), I used google translation
On 11/18/07, David Crochet crochet.david@online.fr wrote:
Bonjour
A "not perfect" translation from my mail, but I hope you will understand most of what I meant
Thanks for this David. However, I'm still not convinced about how you ensure that Wikiversity and Wikibooks are "totally independent". Like in the example you give about the computer science materials - how do you ensure that other materials don't 'end up like a book'? How does a faculty structure maintain this independence? (And, I wonder, does this structure constrain Wikiversity from exploring more esoteric subjects or experimental methods?)
Cormac
Bonjour
However, I'm still not convinced about how you ensure that Wikiversity and Wikibooks are "totally independent". Like in the example you give about the computer science materials - how do you ensure that other materials don't 'end up like a book'?
When faced with this problem, we look at how we are changing, or may develop lesson (currently there is a lesson on Blender: http://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Blender who remains on wikiversité, but when you look at how it is built, we think immediately that it is very similar to what you see in a book. So what do we do? It suggests in wikiversity or we give to wikibook?). If you think that the course will look strongly at what we can see in a book, so we propose to transwiki-export pages to wikibooks. On the one hand because we (the community) does not know how to change this kind of knowledge into something that separates what wikibooks and wikiversité. It is in a situation where the border line is not very clear.
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