If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
Really? Because Wikis don't allow for blocks to be used that way, and other Wikis want to ban Abd and those he is encouraging to act out. There is more talk to shut down Wikiversity, and if stuff like SB Johnny and Abd aren't dealt with, I will support that effort.
2011/9/17 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
Really.
Juandev
2011/9/18 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
Really? Because Wikis don't allow for blocks to be used that way, and other Wikis want to ban Abd and those he is encouraging to act out. There is more talk to shut down Wikiversity, and if stuff like SB Johnny and Abd aren't dealt with, I will support that effort.
2011/9/17 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
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Then how did I "make problems"? By pointing out that Abd was excessively blocking people without notifying them, giving warnings, etc? Or that he was selectively welcoming people? Or that he encouraged three banned editors to use Wikiversity to disrupt, including bringing over copyright infringing things?
And what have you done lately? Looking at our contribs, I fixed a lot of the problems up. Where were you? You have some nerve trying to justify such an outrageously improper block.
2011/9/18 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Really.
Juandev
2011/9/18 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
Really? Because Wikis don't allow for blocks to be used that way, and other Wikis want to ban Abd and those he is encouraging to act out. There is more talk to shut down Wikiversity, and if stuff like SB Johnny and Abd aren't dealt with, I will support that effort.
2011/9/17 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
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Ottava, you are repeating on Wikiversity your old style of argument, even more seriously tendentious. It's obvious. SBJ explained it to you. He'd love it if you provided him good ammunition to use in preventing me from being a custodian, but you've done about the opposite.
I seriously attempted to encourage you to positively contribute. My invitation to you to take on welcoming, on your Talk page, was serious and sincere. I did not expect problems. When you made some welcomes that do -- just my opinion! -- interfere with the practical operation of RCP in conjunction with welcoming, I pointed these out. I did not threaten you.
Instead of taking this up as an ordinary dispute, you escalated immediately to the Colloquium, thus showing a radical misunderstanding of non-disruptive dispute resolution process.
In any case, I've responded to your concerns there. If you want to make comments on that, you can place them on your Talk page and I'll, at least, link to that from the Colloquium. Be careful, though. If you abuse your Talk page for uncivil comments, you might get Talk page access yanked. Not by me.
SBJ only blocked you for a week, so you will get another chance. You could actually get another chance immediately if you'd recognize what you did and sincerely apologize, showing the new understanding. It's the same as at meta, the opposition to your unblock there would vanish if you showed a reason to think it wouldn't just happen all over again.
If you, in a week, continue as you did, you will, as a practical certainty, be blocked again. And, again, very likely, not by me. I only do that in emergencies, where there has been prior conflict, and, as bad as it had gotten when SBJ blocked, I didn't think it had gotten to that level yet.
"Three banned editors to use Wikiversity to disrupt." What disruption? What "copyright infringing things" exist? You've been asked for specifics, and you haven't provided any. You are simply tossing made-up mud. Yes, Marshallsumter was *accused* of "copyright violation." That remains to be seen. Copying of sentences from published papers is not ordinarily and legally copyright violation, and it is routinely done in an academic environment, with attribution, which was the case with much or most of the problem work on Wikipedia. But it isn't "copyvio" even without attribution, under almost all circumstances. It might be "plagiarism," a different issue. There may have been exceptions, and you should know that everyone who is very active can be found to have made mistakes.
From: Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu To: Mailing list for Wikiversity wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] SB Johnny
Then how did I "make problems"? By pointing out that Abd was excessively blocking people without notifying them, giving warnings, etc? Or that he was selectively welcoming people? Or that he encouraged three banned editors to use Wikiversity to disrupt, including bringing over copyright infringing things?
And what have you done lately? Looking at our contribs, I fixed a lot of the problems up. Where were you? You have some nerve trying to justify such an outrageously improper block.
2011/9/18 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Really.
Juandev
2011/9/18 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
Really? Because Wikis don't allow for blocks to be used that way, and other Wikis want to ban Abd and those he is encouraging to act out. There is more talk to shut down Wikiversity, and if stuff like SB Johnny and Abd aren't dealt with, I will support that effort.
2011/9/17 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Abd, your email right there is exactly why people want to cross wiki ban you and why so many people at the Foundation are sick and tired of you. My "old style of argument"? You mean pointing out that you are lying and abusing your position, outright making a mockery of Wikiversity, and showing how you are basically misleading people?
You claimed to do recent changes but you did a horrible job. I had to go through thousands of edits to fix many mistakes made by you. If you want to fix things, you can do it by scrambling your password and never coming to a Wiki ever again. That is how hundreds of people feel about you.
2011/9/18 Abd ulRahman Lomax abdlomax@yahoo.com
Ottava, you are repeating on Wikiversity your old style of argument, even more seriously tendentious. It's obvious. SBJ explained it to you. He'd love it if you provided him good ammunition to use in preventing me from being a custodian, but you've done about the opposite.
I seriously attempted to encourage you to positively contribute. My invitation to you to take on welcoming, on your Talk page, was serious and sincere. I did not expect problems. When you made some welcomes that do -- just my opinion! -- interfere with the practical operation of RCP in conjunction with welcoming, I pointed these out. I did not threaten you.
Instead of taking this up as an ordinary dispute, you escalated immediately to the Colloquium, thus showing a radical misunderstanding of non-disruptive dispute resolution process.
In any case, I've responded to your concerns there. If you want to make comments on that, you can place them on your Talk page and I'll, at least, link to that from the Colloquium. Be careful, though. If you abuse your Talk page for uncivil comments, you might get Talk page access yanked. Not by me.
SBJ only blocked you for a week, so you will get another chance. You could actually get another chance immediately if you'd recognize what you did and sincerely apologize, showing the new understanding. It's the same as at meta, the opposition to your unblock there would vanish if you showed a reason to think it wouldn't just happen all over again.
If you, in a week, continue as you did, you will, as a practical certainty, be blocked again. And, again, very likely, not by me. I only do that in emergencies, where there has been prior conflict, and, as bad as it had gotten when SBJ blocked, I didn't think it had gotten to that level yet.
"Three banned editors to use Wikiversity to disrupt." What disruption? What "copyright infringing things" exist? You've been asked for specifics, and you haven't provided any. You are simply tossing made-up mud. Yes, Marshallsumter was *accused* of "copyright violation." That remains to be seen. Copying of sentences from published papers is not ordinarily and legally copyright violation, and it is routinely done in an academic environment, with attribution, which was the case with much or most of the problem work on Wikipedia. But it isn't "copyvio" even without attribution, under almost all circumstances. It might be "plagiarism," a different issue. There may have been exceptions, and you should know that everyone who is very active can be found to have made mistakes.
*From:* Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] SB Johnny
Then how did I "make problems"? By pointing out that Abd was excessively blocking people without notifying them, giving warnings, etc? Or that he was selectively welcoming people? Or that he encouraged three banned editors to use Wikiversity to disrupt, including bringing over copyright infringing things?
And what have you done lately? Looking at our contribs, I fixed a lot of the problems up. Where were you? You have some nerve trying to justify such an outrageously improper block.
2011/9/18 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Really.
Juandev
2011/9/18 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
Really? Because Wikis don't allow for blocks to be used that way, and other Wikis want to ban Abd and those he is encouraging to act out. There is more talk to shut down Wikiversity, and if stuff like SB Johnny and Abd aren't dealt with, I will support that effort.
2011/9/17 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com
Well,
I think you made problems Ottava.
Juandev
2011/9/17 Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu
If you haven't noticed, SB Johnny decided to block me today because I pointed out dozens upon dozens of mistakes Abd has made - not warning people when he blocks them, encouraging editors who are blatantly posting things out of scope, etc.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ottava_Rima
Everyone can see from my contribs that his actions are clearly out of line. The worst thing is, not only was SB Johnny desysopped for abuse before (and gained it inappropriately), but that most people want to globally ban Abd, who is clearly acting inappropriate.
Wtf is happening with Wikiversity?
Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters aka Ottava Rima
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
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