It is not about license. It is about volunteers. If you poach from
Wikiversity, you should be banned. It is that simple. Our donors spend
money on resources like this list. You are stealing our donors resources.
That is theft.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Jeffrey:
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the sum of all knowledge.
Wikiversity and PlanetMath use the same license. Yes, they compete
for "mind-share" but the content on one can be used on the other. In
this sense they are potential collaborators, and
non-mutually-exclusive alternatives for the OP. Indeed, we talked at
length about this kind of use in a grant proposal to the WMF:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/PlanetMath_Books_Project
The proposal was not successful, partly for reasons similar to ones
you mention - reviewers and community members felt, "This is great for
PlanetMath, but does it really support Wikimedia projects in a
concrete way?" But this does not mean that the idea behind the
proposal was wrong! What I think it means is that IF this sort of
proposal is to be successful in the future, the people (like me)
working on external free/open projects will need to create a
collaboration with members of the Wikimedia community. If we can
create and work in the overlap then it is likely to be for the benefit
of all. If you disagree with me about this, that's fine, but, please,
since there is NOT a rule against having a discussion about this sort
of thing, or about talking about other potentially supportive projects
in this mailing list, I would appreciate it if you do not try to take
it upon yourself to end this discussion, but instead, please DO
consult with the mailing list owners, so that they can, if necessary,
step in and clarify the rules.
Joe
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Jeffrey Peters
<17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
Nkansah, Wikiversity is an entity that has a
product (educational
resources). There are other websites, some with advertisers, who tried to
use Wikiversity to funnel viewers/contributors to their own projects.
This
has been a major problem for Wikiversity, and we
are targeted because we
have the connection to Wikipedia and its huge views.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Nkansah Rexford <
nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Competitor?
>
> I don't get this.
>
>
google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab
>
> On Dec 22, 2013 5:15 PM, "Jeffrey Peters" <
17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up
and
>> I will inform the main list owners and
ask that they strictly moderate
the
>> list to ensure that it is not used to
promote competitors.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford
>> <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> @jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did
>>> that become advertising?
>>>
>>> Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal
>>> website or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just
bringing up
>>> an issue and I believe its great
considering the matter than banning
the
>>> matter saying its advertising.
>>>
>>> "Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of
Wikiversity,
>>> where else can discussions of this
sort be held?
>>>
>>> I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing
lists.
>>> Links are posted to references and
stuffs like that. They're all
Wikimedia
>>> mailing list, but how come such links
never get categorized as
adverts but
>>> are used in discussion?
>>>
>>> Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity?
>>>
>>> Cmon
>>>
>>>
google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli"
<holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>>>> <17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
>>>> > Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement
group.
>>>> > Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli
>>>> > <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group?
PlanetMath.org is
>>>> >> well-established free/open project
>>>> >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a
lot
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> content to Wikipedia over the years
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_E…
.
>>>> >> Mentioning the project
is hardly advertising it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Joe
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>>>> >> <17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli
>>>> >> > <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would
be
>>>> >> >> interested in
>>>> >> >> including in PlanetMath (
planetmath.org).
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier
>>>> >> >> <robert.dodier(a)gmail.com>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> > Hello,
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of
math
problems
>>>> >> >> > solved by
Maxima, a symbolic computation system.
>>>> >> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and
a page
>>>> >> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would
have
>>>> >> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with
formulas, code,
>>>> >> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is
suitable
>>>> >> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the
educational realm
>>>> >> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything
to say whether
it
>>>> >> >> > is
definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not
OK.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Robert Dodier
>> >> >> >
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