It is not about license. It is about volunteers. If you poach from Wikiversity, you should be banned. It is that simple. Our donors spend money on resources like this list. You are stealing our donors resources. That is theft.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Joe Corneli holtzermann17@gmail.comwrote:
Jeffrey:
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.
Wikiversity and PlanetMath use the same license. Yes, they compete for "mind-share" but the content on one can be used on the other. In this sense they are potential collaborators, and non-mutually-exclusive alternatives for the OP. Indeed, we talked at length about this kind of use in a grant proposal to the WMF: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/PlanetMath_Books_Project
The proposal was not successful, partly for reasons similar to ones you mention - reviewers and community members felt, "This is great for PlanetMath, but does it really support Wikimedia projects in a concrete way?" But this does not mean that the idea behind the proposal was wrong! What I think it means is that IF this sort of proposal is to be successful in the future, the people (like me) working on external free/open projects will need to create a collaboration with members of the Wikimedia community. If we can create and work in the overlap then it is likely to be for the benefit of all. If you disagree with me about this, that's fine, but, please, since there is NOT a rule against having a discussion about this sort of thing, or about talking about other potentially supportive projects in this mailing list, I would appreciate it if you do not try to take it upon yourself to end this discussion, but instead, please DO consult with the mailing list owners, so that they can, if necessary, step in and clarify the rules.
Joe
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote:
Nkansah, Wikiversity is an entity that has a product (educational resources). There are other websites, some with advertisers, who tried to use Wikiversity to funnel viewers/contributors to their own projects.
This
has been a major problem for Wikiversity, and we are targeted because we have the connection to Wikipedia and its huge views.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Nkansah Rexford <
nkansahrexford@gmail.com>
wrote:
Competitor?
I don't get this.
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On Dec 22, 2013 5:15 PM, "Jeffrey Peters" <
17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>
wrote:
It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up
and
I will inform the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate
the
list to ensure that it is not used to promote competitors.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
@jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did that become advertising?
Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal website or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just
bringing up
an issue and I believe its great considering the matter than banning
the
matter saying its advertising.
"Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of
Wikiversity,
where else can discussions of this sort be held?
I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing
lists.
Links are posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all
Wikimedia
mailing list, but how come such links never get categorized as
adverts but
are used in discussion?
Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity?
Cmon
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On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" holtzermann17@gmail.com
wrote:
I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: > Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement group. > Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli > holtzermann17@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group? PlanetMath.org is >> well-established free/open project >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a
lot
>> of >> content to Wikipedia over the years >> >> >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_Ex... .
>> Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it. >> >> Joe >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters >> 17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: >> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli >> > holtzermann17@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would be >> >> interested in >> >> including in PlanetMath (planetmath.org). >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier >> >> robert.dodier@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> >> > >> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math
problems
>> >> > solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system. >> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page >> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would have >> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code, >> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable >> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm >> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether
it
>> >> > is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not
OK.
>> >> > >> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question. >> >> > >> >> > Robert Dodier >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> > Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> > Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >
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