Dear Micheal,
Regarding all my accusation, all topics are open to public forum at Myanmar
IT Professionals <http://www.myanmaritpros.com/>. This forum is
founded by Christopher
Tun <http://www.linkedin.com/in/christophertun>, former CEO of
Inforithm-Maze and first generation Myanmar Unicode Font design. You can
find almost all Myanmar IT perople including Myanmar NLP members.
So false statements are not likely to sustain. The forum has history of
deleting topic on pure public slander. So why not chellenge there?
Best regards,
Okisan
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote:
> At 09:20 +0900 2008-07-27, Kyaw Tun wrote:
>
> >Reality is different. People love Zawgyi (non-gov) over Unicode 5.1
> >(gov). People don't know usefulness of Unicode 5.1, but just know it
> >does't look good. Frankly I don't think people will install Unicode
> >5.1 font, unless there is a change of image.
>
> And what are you doing to actively change that image? Nothing? You've
> set up your own myanmarwikipedia.org, for instance, so they don't
> have to change from your proprietary font to Unicode. Your own
> website suggests that you may never support Unicode 5.1:
>
> http://www.zawgyi.org/usr-Okisan-when%20will%20zawgyi%20be%20unicode%205.1%…
>
> Here you have attacked Htoo
>
> http://www.zawgyi.org/usr-zawgyi_one-defining_and_defying_the_standard_pada…
> claiming "monopolistic practices by sysops". This is offensive and
> you should not keep this on your website.
>
> This page
>
> http://www.zawgyi.org/usr-zawgyi_one-going_wrong_with_users_myanmar_wikiped…
> is full of your false allegations.
>
> This comment http://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sithu015 made by
> Okisan on a my.wikipedia.org talk page suggests to me that he should
> not be made a sysop, anyway.
>
> On your own front page http://www.zawgyi.org/ you state, wrongly:
> "MyWikipedia Myanmar Wikipedia: Now accepting Unicode 5.1 MyWikipedia
> has secret plan to skip Unicode 5.1 to Unicode 5.2. Unicode 5.2 is
> unheard of, not even Myanmar NLP." This shows that you don't know
> what you are talking about. New Myanmar characters will be added in
> Unicode 5.2 or 6.0 or whatever it will be called, but they will not
> impact the Burmese language; they are for minority languages. Yes,
> Unicode fonts supporting the Myanmar script should, in due course,
> support these characters. And here along with nonsense about "secret
> plans"
>
> http://www.zawgyi.org/usr-zawgyi_one-Myanmar_Wikipedia_Now_accepting_Unicod…
> you have simply said that you do not want my.wikipedia.org to migrate
> to Unicode 5.1: "removing [Zawgyi] out of Myanmar Wikipedia is
> completely unacceptable".
>
> Jimbo, this brings us back to the entente that Andrew and I had about
> how to move things forward.
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Dear Micheal,
The news stated that you and your partner Htoo Myint Naung invented the new
Unicode Font, it looks like both of you are king in Myanmar Unicode. But
reality is both of you are not in top of the list in
contribution<http://www.myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A43215&pa…>.
I have seen many time you claim that *I am one of the authors of the Unicode
Standard*. Your statement is not comfortable with Ko Ngwe Tun or Ko Ravi. So
you stop saying more than what you did. It did hurt dignity of Myanmar IT
community.
Best regards,
Okisan
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote:
> At 22:53 +0900 2008-07-26, Kyaw Tun wrote:
> >How come you say The News is not relevent to you or Htoo Myint Naung?
>
> I am not responsible for what is printed in a newspaper that never
> contacted me.
>
> >That is how you claim to other people, isn't? That is how you claim
> >to funding agency, isn't?
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> >Please also see how
> ><
> http://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#.28-.29_Oppose
> >Ravi
> >told about you and
> ><
> http://myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A43215&page=4…
> >Ko
> >Ngwe Tun told about you. You got to say exactly what you did. Not
> >more.
>
> What do you mean, "what I did". What did I do? When did I do it?
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Dear Michael,
I do not quote as we have agreed. But this mailling list is public and
easily be googled.
So far, only you and Mr Wales want this thread to be private. The thread
owner has been reticent indicating that they don't care. Otherwise, I am
very agreeable to remove of the referencing.
Best,
Okisan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote:
> Okisan has published a link to these archives at
> http://www.myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A47521
> (scroll down to "Mating with FMW"; the link is "the discussion".
>
> This is a breach of faith. We agreed that the discussion here was to
> be private. I don't believe that this is at all proper.
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2008/7/26 Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
> I don't believe for a minute that users think about the encoding
> model of their fonts.
>
>
But I suspect they will care if the rendering of their font is broken.
--
Andrew Cunningham
Vicnet Research and Development Coordinator
State Library of Victoria
Australia
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lang.support(a)gmail.com
How come you say The News is not relevent to you or Htoo Myint Naung? That
is how you claim to other people, isn't? That is how you claim to funding
agency, isn't?
Please also see how Ravi told about
you<http://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#.28-.29_Oppose>and
Ko
Ngwe Tun told about
you<http://myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A43215&page=4…>.
You got to say exactly what you did. Not more.
Good luck,
Okisan
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote:
> At 22:10 +0900 2008-07-26, Kyaw Tun wrote:
>
> >>>You have to defend it.
> >>
> >>I do not have to defend the Anawrahta against your false accusation.
> >
> >I think if you read
> ><http://myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A46587
> >this
> >post, it will clear why it happens.
>
> This does not explain why you said many times on a public forum that
> Anawrahta is a "fake" Unicode project. What you said was false. I
> told you it was false. You should retract your false statement and
> apologize.
>
> I have also told you MANY MANY TIMES that I had nothing to do with
> the interview in the Myanmar Times. No one from that organization
> ever contacted me. Furthermore, you blame BOTH Htoo Myint Naung and
> me on the very thread you just posted for the content of the article
> in the Myanmar Times. The person who is ultimately responsible for
> that content is the reporter, not Htoo Myint Naung, and certainly not
> me.
>
> It is SHAMEFUL for you to say, here, again, that "they are claiming
> what they are not". I have made no false claims. I have on MANY
> occasions told you that you are making false claims about me and my
> work and I have asked you to stop. Here you have done it again.
>
> I worked very hard to get the UTC and WG2 to accept the changes that
> FIXED the problems the Myanmar 4.1 encoding had. That was not easy,
> and had it not been done, computing in the Burmese language and in
> the minority languages of your country could not have been
> accomplished. Since then I have helped to encode even more Myanmar
> characters for minority languages. Yet you say nothing about these
> accomplishments. You say nothing about this service to your nation.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> >>>I follow on facts.
> >>
> >>It is a fiction of your own. I know perfectly well that Anawrahta
> >>exists, and I have told you so. Therefore for you to continue to
> >>maintain a page about it being a "fake" is a sign of bad faith on
> >>your part.
> >
> >Anawrahta does exist. I never deny. The fake is there because such
> >small thing talk like a big. Please read the above post. It is not
> >mine.
>
> The words "fake Unicode project" means that Anawrahta does not exist.
> It is an act of bad faith for you to maintain a web page claiming
> that it is "fake".
>
> >Except my downright critic, I am responsible and describe to the
> >best of my knowledge.
>
> I have corrected your knowledge several times and all you have done
> is told me that you were right after all. That is most regrettable.
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote:
> At 20:12 +0900 2008-07-26, Kyaw Tun wrote:
> >You have to defend it.
>
> I do not have to defend the Anawrahta against your false accusation.
I think if you read this
post<http://myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A46587>,
it will clear why it happens.
>
>
> >It is public testimonial.
>
> It is a public slander.
NO.
>
>
> >I follow on facts.
>
> It is a fiction of your own. I know perfectly well that Anawrahta
> exists, and I have told you so. Therefore for you to continue to
> maintain a page about it being a "fake" is a sign of bad faith on
> your part.
Anawrahta does exist. I never deny. The fake is there because such small
thing talk like a big. Please read the above post. It is not mine.
>
>
> >How come you demand to remove it before replying in
> ><http://myanmaritpros.com/forum/topic/show?id=1445004%3ATopic%3A47521>the
> >forum?
>
> I have already wasted time on that forum, and I already DID explain
> on that forum that your accusation was false.
You left exactly the FAKE part.
>
>
> >I am very responsible person. I am a researcher and very careful
> >about wording and tried all statement supported. Anything there, I
> >will elaborate upon request.
>
> I don't believe you. You have insulted me publicly, you have not
> accepted the civil explanation which I gave on your forum.
MMITPros is the most respected and technically competent forum for Myanamr
IT community.
>
>
> >But first note, this start on media statement, not me.
>
> I had nothing to do with the media statement. Yet you used it to
> cause harm to me, to my reputation, to the reputation of the Myanmar
> Wikipedia, and to Ko Htoo Myint Naung.
>
> That is shameful, and it is not the sign of a "very responsible
> person" who is "careful" about wording.
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>
> Except my downright critic, I am responsible and describe to the best of my
knowledge.
Okisan
>
>
> >People even think Unicode Font is government stuff.
>
> It *is* government stuff, from a certain point of
> view -- it is an ISO standard. ISO has its
> mandate from the United Nations. The Union of
> Myanmar is not a Participating Member in the work
> of the ISO Subcommittee responsible for the
> Universal Character set, but your government did
> send experts (including U Ngwe Tun) to help us do
> the work, and indeed they invited me to come and
> help sort the problems out.
>
>
>
My statement is not to interpret literally. Please ask your partner, Myint
Htoo Naing, what I mean it is. If it looks like government stuff, it is very
difficult to get people trust.
Okisan
>
>
> >4. Free Unicode fonts offer low quality. As
> >webmastering in many web sites, I know all three
> >Unicode 5.1 fonts are not visually acceptable
> >quality.
>
> This is your opinion.
>
>
>
OK. I got to be straight. Free Unicode 5.1 are just for show. End user need
to purchase a commercial 5.1 font for formal document and quality web site.
Only myanmar3 is acceptable for formal document, but it is not design for
web.
Okisan
>
>
> Publish what you like. Unicode 5.1 is the encoding for the Myanmar
> script, and that is not going to change.
> --
>
How come you can change 5.1? I means later version.
>
> >2. Myanmar Unicode has history of breaking
> >previous version and luck of migration support.
> >It is rather strange that there is NO convertor
> >available for myanmar1 (Unicode 4.0) to myanmar2
> >(Unicode 4.1) or myanmar2 to myanmar3 (Unicode
> >5.1).
>
> It isn't Unicode's place to make such a
> converter. The owners of myanmar1, myanmar2, and
> myanmar3 should have a care for the problem. But
> there *are* converters available for text
> conversion.not take the burdon.
Show me a web link?
Okisan