---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we feel are non-reliable sources.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
wrote:
Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
Referencing involves a number of things.
- Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
{{cn}} tag placed. 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could not be found need to be deleted. 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to be checked - 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited reference. 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation of the cited material in the reference. 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
- [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
- [[WP:CITE]]
- [[WP:RS]]
After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
<ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27...
If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the following url:
http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%...
which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
<ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
- Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58.
Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. Retrieved 10 January 2012.
COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand it/delete it/correct it as required.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
-- Regards, Debanjan*
- Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we feel are non-reliable sources.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
Referencing involves a number of things.
- Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
{{cn}} tag placed. 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could not be found need to be deleted. 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to be checked - 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited reference. 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation of the cited material in the reference. 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
- [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
- [[WP:CITE]]
- [[WP:RS]]
After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
<ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27...
If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the following url:
http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%...
which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
<ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
- Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58.
Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. Retrieved 10 January 2012.
COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand it/delete it/correct it as required.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
-- Regards, Debanjan*
- Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date
so can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we feel are non-reliable sources.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an > article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now > unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being > derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and > referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require > serious amount of work to be restored to that status. > > Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most > suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. > > Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is > part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without > too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. > > Referencing involves a number of things. > > > 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or > a {{cn}} tag placed. > 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] > (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no > ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where > references could not be found need to be deleted. > 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs > to be checked - > 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited > reference. > 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV > representation of the cited material in the reference. > 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite > templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. > > Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for > newbies or those who have not read the page before: > > - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] > - [[WP:CITE]] > - [[WP:RS]] > > After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in > the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use > and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: > > <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= > |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= > |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> > > <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= > |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> > > <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year= > |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= > |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> > > <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= > |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> > > Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with > preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded > into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will > create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. > > For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, > to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the > circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link: > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... > > If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get > the following url: > > > http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... > > which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: > > <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude > Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= > http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent > Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> > > which, when used in an article, will result in the following > citation: > > *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 > * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. > Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number > 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. > Retrieved 10 January 2012. > > COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and > expand it/delete it/correct it as required. > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ >
-- Regards, Debanjan*
- Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date
so can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we feel are non-reliable sources.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an >> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >> >> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >> >> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is >> part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without >> too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >> >> Referencing involves a number of things. >> >> >> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >> references could not be found need to be deleted. >> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs >> to be checked - >> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited >> reference. >> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >> representation of the cited material in the reference. >> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >> >> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for >> newbies or those who have not read the page before: >> >> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >> - [[WP:CITE]] >> - [[WP:RS]] >> >> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >> >> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >> >> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >> >> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >> >> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= >> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >> >> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will >> create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >> >> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, >> to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the >> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link: >> >> >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >> >> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get >> the following url: >> >> >> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >> >> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >> >> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >> >> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >> citation: >> >> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >> >> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ashwin Baindur >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> > >
-- Regards, Debanjan*
- Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Helping hand Wikimedians, Take your time seeking & improving references. This is a teaching-learning experience so no shoddy work please. Initially, it may tike a bit difficult, we can help by answering queries, feel free to ask sooner rather than later.
Do check my edit history in Gandhi & try to understand why every edit I made was done.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date
so can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if > the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we > feel are non-reliable sources. > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ashwin Baindur >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an >>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>> >>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>> >>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>> >>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>> >>> >>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >>> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>> needs to be checked - >>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited >>> reference. >>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>> >>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>> >>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>> - [[WP:RS]] >>> >>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>> >>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, >>> to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the >>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link: >>> >>> >>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>> >>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get >>> the following url: >>> >>> >>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>> >>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>> >>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>> >>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>> citation: >>> >>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>> >>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > Debanjan* > > - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* > >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Because this is how wiki links are rendered when they are on the same page.
For example, if you insert "[[Kerala]]" into the text somewhere in the article on Kerala, the wiki link gets displayed as bold text instead.
:-P
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
- Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
- Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
- Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date
so can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if > the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we > feel are non-reliable sources. > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ashwin Baindur >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an >>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>> >>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>> >>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>> >>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>> >>> >>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >>> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>> needs to be checked - >>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited >>> reference. >>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>> >>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>> >>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>> - [[WP:RS]] >>> >>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= >>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>> >>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>> >>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, >>> to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the >>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link: >>> >>> >>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>> >>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get >>> the following url: >>> >>> >>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>> >>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>> >>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>> >>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>> citation: >>> >>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>> >>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > Debanjan* > > - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* > >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Thanks for enlightening the guys, Anirudh. :)
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/11 Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com
Because this is how wiki links are rendered when they are on the same page.
For example, if you insert "[[Kerala]]" into the text somewhere in the article on Kerala, the wiki link gets displayed as bold text instead.
:-P
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through > every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised > at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. > > Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily - > * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs > * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. > * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to > date so can't task you. Sorry! > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < > debastein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >> we feel are non-reliable sources. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>> >>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>> >>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>> >>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >>>> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>> needs to be checked - >>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>> cited reference. >>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>> >>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>> >>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>> >>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>> link: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>> >>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>> get the following url: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>> >>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>> >>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>> >>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>> citation: >>>> >>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>> >>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Debanjan* >> >> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >> >> >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
I have a question: do we usually leave these wiki links as they are? Or should they be changed to normal text? What's the guideline on this, Ashwin?
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Thanks for enlightening the guys, Anirudh. :)
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com
Because this is how wiki links are rendered when they are on the same page.
For example, if you insert "[[Kerala]]" into the text somewhere in the article on Kerala, the wiki link gets displayed as bold text instead.
:-P
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com > Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 > To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com > > > Hi, already started checking the article regarding > improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and > was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours. > > So didnt reply. > > Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. > Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular > Pc. > > Regards, > Arnav Chaudhary > +91-9049039013 > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through >> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised >> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. >> >> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily >> - >> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs >> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. >> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to >> date so can't task you. Sorry! >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ashwin Baindur >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < >> debastein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >>> we feel are non-reliable sources. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>>> >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>>> >>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the >>>>> most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>>> >>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>>> >>>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a >>>>> reference or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>>> needs to be checked - >>>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>>> cited reference. >>>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>>> >>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>>> >>>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>>> >>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are >>>>> fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them >>>>> for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>>> >>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>>> link: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>>> >>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>>> get the following url: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>>> >>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>>> citation: >>>>> >>>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>>> >>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Debanjan* >>> >>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >>> >>> >> > >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Thanks Anirudh for the query. The bolded names of Gandhi in references appear wherever we gave the authorlink in the reference. We should remove them now that the educational value has been realised.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/11 Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com
I have a question: do we usually leave these wiki links as they are? Or should they be changed to normal text? What's the guideline on this, Ashwin?
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Thanks for enlightening the guys, Anirudh. :)
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com
Because this is how wiki links are rendered when they are on the same page.
For example, if you insert "[[Kerala]]" into the text somewhere in the article on Kerala, the wiki link gets displayed as bold text instead.
:-P
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
> ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29 > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com >> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 >> To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com >> >> >> Hi, already started checking the article regarding >> improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and >> was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours. >> >> So didnt reply. >> >> Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. >> Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular >> Pc. >> >> Regards, >> Arnav Chaudhary >> +91-9049039013 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through >>> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised >>> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. >>> >>> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot >>> arbitrarily - >>> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs >>> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. >>> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to >>> date so can't task you. Sorry! >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < >>> debastein@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >>>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >>>> we feel are non-reliable sources. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the >>>>>> most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, >>>>>> which is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be >>>>>> tackled without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>>>> >>>>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a >>>>>> reference or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>>>> needs to be checked - >>>>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>>>> cited reference. >>>>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>>>> >>>>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>>>> >>>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are >>>>>> fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them >>>>>> for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>>>> link: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>>>> >>>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>>>> get the following url: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>>>> >>>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>>>> citation: >>>>>> >>>>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>>>> >>>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> Debanjan* >>>> >>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list > Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Because they are written by Gandhi himself... It's a scanned document written by him...
Just a guess,...
A potential flashpoint; His nationality is mentioned as "Indian", but during his whole lifetime, India was not an independent republic, so I completely expect people to argue he was a British subject, and hence should be mentioned as "British" or "British Indian".
Sorry if I brought this up on the wrong front, I felt it a bit better to discuss here rather than to rake it up on the talk page. Also sorry I kinda disrupted Ashwin's Masterclass :)
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Because they are written by Gandhi himself... It's a scanned document written by him...
Just a guess,...
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through > every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised > at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. > > Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily - > * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs > * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. > * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to > date so can't task you. Sorry! > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < > debastein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >> we feel are non-reliable sources. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>> >>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>> >>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>> >>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >>>> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>> needs to be checked - >>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>> cited reference. >>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>> >>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>> >>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>> >>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>> link: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>> >>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>> get the following url: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>> >>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>> >>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>> >>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>> citation: >>>> >>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>> >>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Debanjan* >> >> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >> >> >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Swaroop, India's birth as a nation is taken as 15 August 1947. Anyone born on that date or after was born an independent Indian. The Republic date only decided the form of government we set up for ourselves. Gandhidied an Indian citizen - a citizen of free India, albeit a Dominion awaiting transformation of the political system. So unless we want to have fun arguing on these issues, we should leave it like that itself imho.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/12 Swaroop Rao raul.swaroop@gmail.com
A potential flashpoint; His nationality is mentioned as "Indian", but during his whole lifetime, India was not an independent republic, so I completely expect people to argue he was a British subject, and hence should be mentioned as "British" or "British Indian".
Sorry if I brought this up on the wrong front, I felt it a bit better to discuss here rather than to rake it up on the talk page. Also sorry I kinda disrupted Ashwin's Masterclass :)
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Because they are written by Gandhi himself... It's a scanned document written by him...
Just a guess,...
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com > Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 > To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com > > > Hi, already started checking the article regarding > improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and > was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours. > > So didnt reply. > > Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. > Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular > Pc. > > Regards, > Arnav Chaudhary > +91-9049039013 > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through >> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised >> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. >> >> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily >> - >> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs >> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. >> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to >> date so can't task you. Sorry! >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ashwin Baindur >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < >> debastein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >>> we feel are non-reliable sources. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>>> >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>>> >>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the >>>>> most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>>> >>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>>> >>>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a >>>>> reference or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>>> needs to be checked - >>>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>>> cited reference. >>>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>>> >>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>>> >>>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>>> >>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are >>>>> fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them >>>>> for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>>> >>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>>> link: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>>> >>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>>> get the following url: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>>> >>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>>> >>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>>> >>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>>> citation: >>>>> >>>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>>> >>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Debanjan* >>> >>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >>> >>> >> > >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Trust me, I completely expect some editors to rake up some useless issue like the one I pointed out. Thanks for clarifying anyway!
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Swaroop, India's birth as a nation is taken as 15 August 1947. Anyone born on that date or after was born an independent Indian. The Republic date only decided the form of government we set up for ourselves. Gandhidied an Indian citizen - a citizen of free India, albeit a Dominion awaiting transformation of the political system. So unless we want to have fun arguing on these issues, we should leave it like that itself imho.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/12 Swaroop Rao raul.swaroop@gmail.com
A potential flashpoint; His nationality is mentioned as "Indian", but during his whole lifetime, India was not an independent republic, so I completely expect people to argue he was a British subject, and hence should be mentioned as "British" or "British Indian".
Sorry if I brought this up on the wrong front, I felt it a bit better to discuss here rather than to rake it up on the talk page. Also sorry I kinda disrupted Ashwin's Masterclass :)
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Because they are written by Gandhi himself... It's a scanned document written by him...
Just a guess,...
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
> ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29 > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < > ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com >> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM >> Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 >> To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com >> >> >> Hi, already started checking the article regarding >> improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and >> was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours. >> >> So didnt reply. >> >> Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. >> Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular >> Pc. >> >> Regards, >> Arnav Chaudhary >> +91-9049039013 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through >>> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised >>> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. >>> >>> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot >>> arbitrarily - >>> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs >>> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. >>> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to >>> date so can't task you. Sorry! >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < >>> debastein@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >>>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >>>> we feel are non-reliable sources. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>>>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the >>>>>> most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, >>>>>> which is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be >>>>>> tackled without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>>>> >>>>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a >>>>>> reference or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>>>> needs to be checked - >>>>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>>>> cited reference. >>>>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>>>> >>>>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>>>> >>>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are >>>>>> fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them >>>>>> for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>>>> link: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>>>> >>>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>>>> get the following url: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>>>> >>>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>>>> >>>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>>>> >>>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>>>> citation: >>>>>> >>>>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>>>> >>>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> Debanjan* >>>> >>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-in-en mailing list > Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Sometimes we don't always say thank you enough.
Uncle Ashwin:Thank you for starting this initiative. I know it's taken a lot of your time but this is awesome! Thanks to Karthik and Anirudh and Swaroop for engaging and their contributions. Thanks also to Rangilo, Debastien and Arnav C for signing up and participating!
Fantastic to see this email trail; it's exactly what makes the Wikipedia community so magical!
hisham
Thanks for kind words, Hisham.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/12 Hisham hisham@wikimedia.org
Sometimes we don't always say thank you enough.
Uncle Ashwin:Thank you for starting this initiative. I know it's taken a lot of your time but this is awesome! Thanks to Karthik and Anirudh and Swaroop for engaging and their contributions. Thanks also to Rangilo, Debastien and Arnav C for signing up and participating!
Fantastic to see this email trail; it's exactly what makes the Wikipedia community so magical!
hisham
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Hi Karthik,
Anirudh gave the answer a while ago but I shall reiterate what he said. Perhaps people missed the import of what he said.
If we place a link [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi]] on the article "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" itself, the software does not render it as a link but as bold, this is to avoid self-referential loops, a kind of software glitch.
In the {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}} etc templates, there is a field called "authorlink". In case the author has a wikipedia article about him then the name of the article should be added here. Since authorlink was providing Gandhi's name wikilinked on his page itself, it appeared as bold not as a link to avoid self-reference.
If we remove the value for authorlink in this case, Gandhi's article name from the references, his name will not appear as bold any longer.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Because they are written by Gandhi himself... It's a scanned document written by him...
Just a guess,...
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@gmail.com
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.
-- Thanks and Regards, *Karthik Nadar.*
2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arnav Chaudhary arnavchaudhary@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
So didnt reply.
Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now. Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
Regards, Arnav Chaudhary +91-9049039013
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur < ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through > every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised > at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references. > > Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily - > * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs > * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence. > * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to > date so can't task you. Sorry! > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay < > debastein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see >> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what >> we feel are non-reliable sources. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs". >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur < >>> ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take >>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now >>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being >>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and >>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require >>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status. >>>> >>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most >>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in. >>>> >>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which >>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled >>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite. >>>> >>>> Referencing involves a number of things. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference >>>> or a {{cn}} tag placed. >>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] >>>> (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no >>>> ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where >>>> references could not be found need to be deleted. >>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference >>>> needs to be checked - >>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the >>>> cited reference. >>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV >>>> representation of the cited material in the reference. >>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite >>>> templated reference with adequate details available in the reference. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required >>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before: >>>> >>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]] >>>> - [[WP:CITE]] >>>> - [[WP:RS]] >>>> >>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill >>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for >>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are: >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= >>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= >>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= >>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= >>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= >>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref> >>>> >>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with >>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded >>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it >>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple. >>>> >>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's >>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in >>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good >>>> link: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27... >>>> >>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I >>>> get the following url: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%... >>>> >>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation: >>>> >>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude >>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url= >>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58%7Caccessdate=10Jan... 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent >>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref> >>>> >>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following >>>> citation: >>>> >>>> *^http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0 >>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58. >>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number >>>> 978-81-7824-155-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5. >>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012. >>>> >>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and >>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Ashwin Baindur >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Debanjan* >> >> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place* >> >> >
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en
wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org