Helping hand Wikimedians, Take your time seeking & improving references. This is a teaching-learning experience so no shoddy work please. Initially, it may tike a bit difficult, we can help by answering queries, feel free to ask sooner rather than later.

Do check my edit history in Gandhi & try to understand why every edit I made was done.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?

Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?


Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Karthik - ser 8 to end.


Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr@gmail.com>
Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session to clean references.




-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Karthik Nadar.




2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com>
ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)


Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Arnav Chaudhary <arnavchaudhary@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com>


Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.

So didnt reply.

Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.

Regards,
Arnav Chaudhary
+91-9049039013



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.

Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
* Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
* Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
* Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so can't task you. Sorry!


Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <debastein@gmail.com> wrote:
Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we feel are non-reliable sources.


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".


Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com> wrote:
In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require serious amount of work to be restored to that status.

Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.

Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.

Referencing involves a number of things.

  1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a {{cn}} tag placed.
  2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could not be found need to be deleted.
  3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to be checked -
    1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited reference.
    2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation of the cited material in the reference.
  4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
  • [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
  • [[WP:CITE]]
  • [[WP:RS]]
After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:

<ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

<ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

<ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

<ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>

Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.

For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false

If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the following url:

http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy

which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:

<ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10 January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>

which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:

^ Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). Un-Gandhian Gandhi. Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN 978-81-7824-155-5. Retrieved 10 January 2012.

COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand it/delete it/correct it as required.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------




--
Regards,
Debanjan

- Lets make this world a better and more informative place






_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en


_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-in-en mailing list
Wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en