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[Wikimedia-Canada] Canadian copyrights
by Ray Saintonge 23 Jul '09

23 Jul '09

The Canadian government has asked for comments on copyright revision at http://copyright.econsultation.ca/ It will accept comments until September 13. Amazingly this mostly coincides with the time when most people interested in liberalized copyright laws are away touring Europe or planting trees. When they regain access to their electronic lifelines it may be too late to comment. Promoters of these changes would really like Canada to fall in line with the WIPO treaty that it signed a decade ago. They might have passed their changes easily if they had been quick about it, but events over the last 10 years have made this much more controversial then they would have hoped. There do not appear to be any rules that would prohibit comments by non-Canadians. Ec

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Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Wikimedia-ca Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2
by brian.chick＠left-button.com 18 Jul '09

18 Jul '09

If we need to acutally build a wiki, I have lots of experience in that area. I've installed several instances of MediaWiki for a variety of purposes. The actual install is quite simple... so if we can think of a decent purpose, then I'd be happy to contribute the labor to actually build the site. I'm up for a meeting to discuss a project anytime... Brian Chick Toronto >Send Wikimedia-ca mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimedia-ca-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-ca-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-ca digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A non-bylaw related meeting? (roux) > 2. Re: A non-bylaw related meeting? (Ray Saintonge) > 3. Re: A non-bylaw related meeting? (roux) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:57:43 -0400 >From: roux <wikiroux(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >Message-ID: > <a0a123410907162357m3760ffd6r5793f0c3aec6cc2(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >"I'm not sure if they maintain archives, but I do know getting them to >GPL previously taken photographs would be a lot more difficult than >getting them to release those taken after an election where the >members consented. " > >I doubt that. The Queen's Printer holds the copyright, so it's really >up to them as to how they licence it. > >In the same vein, I would be massively interested in getting the >Canadian Heraldic Authority to release copyright of coats of arms (or >at the very least CoAs of cities, provinces, and the country) so that >we may use proper versions legally onwiki. I'd also be interested in >having the GG office release copyright of images of Canadian medals >and decorations. > >The recent release of archived media from the German government could >provide a template for Canada to do the same thing. > > >enwiki: [[User:Roux]] ? wikiroux(a)gmail.com > > > >2009/7/16 Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd(a)yahoo.com>: >> Depending upon how idiot friendly the server is, and if there is web >access, >> I think I might be able to help set up a wiki. Would Wikimedia be willing >to >> host the site? >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jeffery Nichols <arctic.gnome(a)gmail.com> >> To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:14:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >> >> It doesn't have to be a meeting, though I do find that meetings can >> get quite a bit of work done if enough people show up.? To get the >> ball rolling on this project, I have posted my two cents about how >> this site might look at >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Canada/Wikisource_Canada >> ? and I encourage everyone to go to that page and tell me what you >> think Wikisource Canada should be like. >> >> As for the technical side, I don't know much about how to set up a >> wiki, but I would gladly contribute to paying for some part of the >> bandwidth until the organization get incorporated or can get a grant >> from WMF.? Do you have an estimate of how much it costs per size of >> the size and number of hits? >> >> -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome) >> >> >> On 15-Jul-09, at 9:19 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> >>> Jeffery Nichols wrote: >>>> If people are interested, I would like to get together in an online >>>> meeting to discuss what our first project may be.? I would especially >>>> like to hear some ideas from some of the people who say they are >>>> interested in WMC but don't want to work on the bylaws.? Before the >>>> bylaws can be completed, we need a more specific idea about what we >>>> will first do after being established.? I have argued that we should >>>> try to set up an online database and gallery of Canadian historical >>>> and artistic media, but I would like to hear everyone else's ideas, >>>> as >>>> well as discuss the logistics of setting up that kind of website. >>>> Would current participants and people who have not yet attended a >>>> meeting be interested in chatting for an hour or so next week on the >>>> topic?? If so, let me know and I'll set a time. >>> Of course, I'm never interested in online meetings.? They are just not >>> suited to a ponderous person who often pauses before responding to >>> comments. >>> >>> That said, it's important to remember that Wikipedia was active for >>> more >>> than three years before WMF was incorporated.? In those earliest years >>> Jimbo was footing the bills. >>> >>> The online database is a great idea.? What's more important than a >>> discussion of possibilities is for individuals to commit to certain >>> projects and tasks. It's fair enough to say, "I'm not interested in >>> writing by-laws," but at the same time is that person committing to >>> something else.? Now it is important for someone to accept personal >>> responsibility for setting up the online database. >>> >>> Setting up a website is great, and presumably it will employ Mediawiki >>> software.? That takes someone to commit to paying for bandwidth, >>> starting the site at a technical level, and installing the basic >>> software. >>> >>> Using wikisource.ca for this is OK by me as the current owner of the >>> domain name.? I will raise the point when I'm at Wikimania, and unless >>> more constructive ideas are raised there will make it available in >>> September to someone who wants to start the website. >>> >>> Ec >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-ca mailing list >>> Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-ca mailing list >> Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-ca mailing list >> Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:25:32 -0700 >From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >Message-ID: <4A60357C.7020607(a)telus.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Depending upon how idiot friendly the server is, and if there is web >> access, I think I might be able to help set up a wiki. Would Wikimedia >> be willing to host the site? > >I hope not! This should be on a Canadian server. That would make it >subject to Canadian copyright law. We should get into the habit of >paying our own way instead of depending on WMF. > >Ec. > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Jeffery Nichols <arctic.gnome(a)gmail.com> >> *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:14:55 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >> >> It doesn't have to be a meeting, though I do find that meetings can >> get quite a bit of work done if enough people show up. To get the >> ball rolling on this project, I have posted my two cents about how >> this site might look at >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Canada/Wikisource_Canada >> and I encourage everyone to go to that page and tell me what you >> think Wikisource Canada should be like. >> >> As for the technical side, I don't know much about how to set up a >> wiki, but I would gladly contribute to paying for some part of the >> bandwidth until the organization get incorporated or can get a grant >> from WMF. Do you have an estimate of how much it costs per size of >> the size and number of hits? >> >> -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome) >> >> >> On 15-Jul-09, at 9:19 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> >> > Jeffery Nichols wrote: >> >> If people are interested, I would like to get together in an online >> >> meeting to discuss what our first project may be. I would especially >> >> like to hear some ideas from some of the people who say they are >> >> interested in WMC but don't want to work on the bylaws. Before the >> >> bylaws can be completed, we need a more specific idea about what we >> >> will first do after being established. I have argued that we should >> >> try to set up an online database and gallery of Canadian historical >> >> and artistic media, but I would like to hear everyone else's ideas, >> >> as >> >> well as discuss the logistics of setting up that kind of website. >> >> Would current participants and people who have not yet attended a >> >> meeting be interested in chatting for an hour or so next week on the >> >> topic? If so, let me know and I'll set a time. >> > Of course, I'm never interested in online meetings. They are just not >> > suited to a ponderous person who often pauses before responding to >> > comments. >> > >> > That said, it's important to remember that Wikipedia was active for >> > more >> > than three years before WMF was incorporated. In those earliest years >> > Jimbo was footing the bills. >> > >> > The online database is a great idea. What's more important than a >> > discussion of possibilities is for individuals to commit to certain >> > projects and tasks. It's fair enough to say, "I'm not interested in >> > writing by-laws," but at the same time is that person committing to >> > something else. Now it is important for someone to accept personal >> > responsibility for setting up the online database. >> > >> > Setting up a website is great, and presumably it will employ Mediawiki >> > software. That takes someone to commit to paying for bandwidth, >> > starting the site at a technical level, and installing the basic >> > software. >> > >> > Using wikisource.ca <http://wikisource.ca> for this is OK by me as >> the current owner of the >> > domain name. I will raise the point when I'm at Wikimania, and unless >> > more constructive ideas are raised there will make it available in >> > September to someone who wants to start the website. >> > >> > Ec >> > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:42:58 -0400 >From: roux <wikiroux(a)gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >Message-ID: > <a0a123410907170142g7ef375a1t8c7796abd9b207b8(a)mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >Agreed. >enwiki: [[User:Roux]] ? wikiroux(a)gmail.com > > > >2009/7/17 Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>: >> Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >>> Depending upon how idiot friendly the server is, and if there is web >>> access, I think I might be able to help set up a wiki. Would Wikimedia >>> be willing to host the site? >> >> I hope not! ?This should be on a Canadian server. ?That would make it >> subject to Canadian copyright law. ?We should get into the habit of >> paying our own way instead of depending on WMF. >> >> Ec. >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Jeffery Nichols <arctic.gnome(a)gmail.com> >>> *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:14:55 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] A non-bylaw related meeting? >>> >>> It doesn't have to be a meeting, though I do find that meetings can >>> get quite a bit of work done if enough people show up. ?To get the >>> ball rolling on this project, I have posted my two cents about how >>> this site might look at >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Canada/Wikisource_Canada >>> ? and I encourage everyone to go to that page and tell me what you >>> think Wikisource Canada should be like. >>> >>> As for the technical side, I don't know much about how to set up a >>> wiki, but I would gladly contribute to paying for some part of the >>> bandwidth until the organization get incorporated or can get a grant >>> from WMF. ?Do you have an estimate of how much it costs per size of >>> the size and number of hits? >>> >>> -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome) >>> >>> >>> On 15-Jul-09, at 9:19 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>> >>> > Jeffery Nichols wrote: >>> >> If people are interested, I would like to get together in an online >>> >> meeting to discuss what our first project may be. ?I would especially >>> >> like to hear some ideas from some of the people who say they are >>> >> interested in WMC but don't want to work on the bylaws. ?Before the >>> >> bylaws can be completed, we need a more specific idea about what we >>> >> will first do after being established. ?I have argued that we should >>> >> try to set up an online database and gallery of Canadian historical >>> >> and artistic media, but I would like to hear everyone else's ideas, >>> >> as >>> >> well as discuss the logistics of setting up that kind of website. >>> >> Would current participants and people who have not yet attended a >>> >> meeting be interested in chatting for an hour or so next week on the >>> >> topic? ?If so, let me know and I'll set a time. >>> > Of course, I'm never interested in online meetings. ?They are just not >>> > suited to a ponderous person who often pauses before responding to >>> > comments. >>> > >>> > That said, it's important to remember that Wikipedia was active for >>> > more >>> > than three years before WMF was incorporated. ?In those earliest years >>> > Jimbo was footing the bills. >>> > >>> > The online database is a great idea. ?What's more important than a >>> > discussion of possibilities is for individuals to commit to certain >>> > projects and tasks. It's fair enough to say, "I'm not interested in >>> > writing by-laws," but at the same time is that person committing to >>> > something else. ?Now it is important for someone to accept personal >>> > responsibility for setting up the online database. >>> > >>> > Setting up a website is great, and presumably it will employ Mediawiki >>> > software. ?That takes someone to commit to paying for bandwidth, >>> > starting the site at a technical level, and installing the basic >>> > software. >>> > >>> > Using wikisource.ca <http://wikisource.ca> for this is OK by me as >>> the current owner of the >>> > domain name. ?I will raise the point when I'm at Wikimania, and unless >>> > more constructive ideas are raised there will make it available in >>> > September to someone who wants to start the website. >>> > >>> > Ec >>> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-ca mailing list >> Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca >> > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wikimedia-ca mailing list >Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca > > >End of Wikimedia-ca Digest, Vol 104, Issue 2 >********************************************

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[Wikimedia-Canada] I suggest we move this discussion to a talk page
by Jeffery Nichols 18 Jul '09

18 Jul '09

If we are going to have a long discussion about the purpose and logistics of wikisource.ca, I suggest that we take that discussion to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Canada/Wikisource_Canada . This mailing system is great for announcements and questions, but I think full-fledged conversations would be better on talk pages where we can more easily track past discussions and link others to the page. -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)

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[Wikimedia-Canada] Happy Canada Day! / Bonne Fête du Canada!
by Jeffery Nichols 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

I'm just writing to wish all you Wikimedia Canada advocates a great day celebrating our country, our cultures, 142 years of our Confederation together, and many happy returns! Je suis tout simplement de vous écrire les défenseurs de Wikimédia Canada pour vous souhaiter une merveilleuse journée de célébrer notre pays, nos cultures, nos 142 ans de la Confédération ensemble, et de nombreux autres à venir! -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)

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Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] the the legalese of bylaws
by tom willis 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

Certainly I am one of those people who view by-law drafting as a tedious (but required) step, and look forward to gettign involved in the actual activities of the chapter. I really hope we can get things formally set up soon, because it will a lot easier to attract people to an exsisting organisation rather than a potential one. Regards, Tom[pw] > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:33:36 -0230 > From: Jeffery Nichols <arctic.gnome(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Happy Canada Day! / Bonne F?te du > Canada! > To: Wikimedia Canada planning list <wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: <4A9A26F6-D684-4E32-84DF-980962C59E91(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are interested in > helping but who don't like reading through the legalese of bylaws. As > long as a couple of us keep at them, I bet we'll find a lot more > people willing to do work once we actually start doing real-world work. > > -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome) _________________________________________________________________ Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks, emoticons, display pics, and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

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[Wikimedia-Canada] Meeting reminder and agenda change
by Jeffery Nichols 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

I'd like to remind everyone about the meeting tonight at 1:00 UTC. We will not be finalizing the proposal to the WMF as originally planed, as reviews by KenWalker and Eclecticology have found some outstanding problems that will yet take a while to fix. Nevertheless, I would like to keep our meeting tonight to discuss: 1. Who's names to put on the articles of incorporation and in what province our address will be as per bill C-4 (2nd s, 40th p). These names are open to change, and the names chosen will not confer extra powers to those people, but I think it would be useful to have some official faces, both for outsider questions and for helping commit people to the project. 2. Our statements of purpose. This needs some reworking and I think it might be useful to discuss them in chat in addition to on the talk page like we are doing for legal fixes. 3. Making sure that everyone is on the same page regarding what legal documents we are checking the bylaws against (reviewers keep finding new laws we have to follow, arg). 4. Questions and comments from new people to the project. 5. Overview of submittal process to WMF (more on that next meeting when the bylaws are done). Everyone with an interest in the project is welcome at the meeting. Download a copy of Skype and add your username to the rsvp list at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Meetings/2009-06-18 -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)

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[Wikimedia-Canada] Wiki-Conference New York
by Andrew Whitworth 11 Jun '09

11 Jun '09

Hello all, I wanted to send you guys an invitation to visit Wiki-Conference New York next month. It is being hosted on July 25-26, and will feature a keynote speach by Jimbo Wales. See a link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki-Conference_2009 It's a small conference, organized by the New York City chapter. Not quite a replacement for Wikimania, but a nice alternative if you can't make the trip all the way down to Buenos Aires this summer. So please take a look at it and if you're able to travel we would love to have people there from the future WM-CA to join in the activities. --Andrew Whitworth

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[Wikimedia-Canada] Fwd: Bylaws Pre-Review
by Andrew Whitworth 08 Jun '09

08 Jun '09

I asked the chapcom to take a quick preliminary look at your bylaws, so that you can have some feedback before you put on the finishing touches. We are generally happy with them as-is, although we do have a problem with point 1.4 under "Statement of Purpose". Chapters are legally separate and distinct entities from the WMF and each other, and it's a good idea that you not attempt to build close ties with the WMF into your bylaws. It is okay to mention that your aims are similar "to other open-culture groups, such as the Wikimedia Foundation", but you should not include that forming a affiliation with the WMF are part of your aims. You can also mention that your goals include "supporting open-content websites, such as the various wiki projects operated by the Wikimedia Foundation", or something like that. Please let me know if you have any questions about this, or if you need any other feedback regarding your draft bylaws before you want to submit them to the chapcom for approval. --Andrew Whitworth

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Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] 2nd meeting of the 2nd steering committee
by Jeffery Nichols 06 Jun '09

06 Jun '09

P.S. If you cannot attend the meeting, please post comments that you want brought up at the meeting on its talk page. -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome) > I have set up an agenda and sign-up page for the next meeting athttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Meetings/2009-06-18 > . Be sure to read the bylaws athttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Proposed_by-laws > and make suggestions for them on their talk page before the > meeting. I hope to see to you all there. > -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)

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[Wikimedia-Canada] 2nd meeting of the 2nd steering committee
by Jeffery Nichols 06 Jun '09

06 Jun '09

I have set up an agenda and sign-up page for the next meeting at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Meetings/2009-06-18 . Be sure to read the bylaws at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Proposed_by-laws and make suggestions for them on their talk page before the meeting. I hope to see to you all there. -Jeffery Nichols (Arctic.gnome)

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