Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
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All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
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Hi all, the outcome of these meetings was to produce this open letter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming
Individuals are welcome to sign. Are there any objections to signing on behalf of New England Wikimedians?
-- Phoebe
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
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All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/All-Affiliates_Brand_Meeting
3:00 UTC (Asia-Pacific friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592708427) https://meet.google.com/mff-bsiy-tvd
19:00 UTC (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592766035) https://meet.google.com/hjq-ptwx-aex
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Thank you, Phoebe, for doing the work to get this together. I think it makes sense to have this signed on behalf of the group as a whole.
Best, Amanda
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:51 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, the outcome of these meetings was to produce this open letter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming
Individuals are welcome to sign. Are there any objections to signing on behalf of New England Wikimedians?
-- Phoebe
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Subject: [All-affiliates] June 21 All-Affiliates Brand Meeting To: Wikimedia Affiliates all-affiliates@lists.wikimedia.org
All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/All-Affiliates_Brand_Meeting
3:00 UTC (Asia-Pacific friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592708427) https://meet.google.com/mff-bsiy-tvd
19:00 UTC (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592766035) https://meet.google.com/hjq-ptwx-aex
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Hi all, Yes, Phoebe, thanks for your work on this and keeping us all in the loop! I agree to a group sign. Greta
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:40 PM Amanda Rust arrust@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Phoebe, for doing the work to get this together. I think it makes sense to have this signed on behalf of the group as a whole.
Best, Amanda
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:51 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, the outcome of these meetings was to produce this open letter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming
Individuals are welcome to sign. Are there any objections to signing on behalf of New England Wikimedians?
-- Phoebe
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Subject: [All-affiliates] June 21 All-Affiliates Brand Meeting To: Wikimedia Affiliates all-affiliates@lists.wikimedia.org
All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/All-Affiliates_Brand_Meeting
3:00 UTC (Asia-Pacific friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592708427) https://meet.google.com/mff-bsiy-tvd
19:00 UTC (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592766035) https://meet.google.com/hjq-ptwx-aex
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Hi Phoebe, Thanks for you hard work on this, and for letting us know about the letter. I support signing it. Best, Polly HamlenPMCH2 On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 01:51:44 PM EDT, phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, the outcome of these meetings was to produce this open letter: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming%C2%A0 Individuals are welcome to sign. Are there any objections to signing on behalf of New England Wikimedians? -- Phoebe On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
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All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/All-Affiliates_Brand_Meeting
3:00 UTC (Asia-Pacific friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592708427)https://meet.google.com/mff-bsiy-tvd
19:00 UTC (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592766035) https://meet.google.com/hjq-ptwx-aex
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Thanks for this Phoebe!
I'm largely uninformed, but I liked the idea of replacing Wikimedia with Wikipedia. That said, I see there's been some process concerns and this has been a heck of a year, so I don't think there's a need to rush? Then again, does delay bring anything other than not making the change?
Given that I'm mostly ignorant, and to whatever extent I'm a member of Wikimedia New England, I'd "abstain" and trust it to the more clueful.
This strikes me as the kind of change that can be great, even clarifying, if the communities involved are on board -- and self-defeating if they are not. This seems to be the latter, including a general lack of enthusiasm among supporters of the change. So aside from questions of process, stopping seems right. SJ
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:10 PM Joseph Reagle joseph.2011@reagle.org wrote:
Thanks for this Phoebe!
I'm largely uninformed, but I liked the idea of replacing Wikimedia with Wikipedia. That said, I see there's been some process concerns and this has been a heck of a year, so I don't think there's a need to rush? Then again, does delay bring anything other than not making the change?
Given that I'm mostly ignorant, and to whatever extent I'm a member of Wikimedia New England, I'd "abstain" and trust it to the more clueful.
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:10 PM Joseph Reagle joseph.2011@reagle.org wrote:
I'm largely uninformed, but I liked the idea of replacing Wikimedia with Wikipedia. That said, I see there's been some process concerns and this has been a heck of a year, so I don't think there's a need to rush? Then again, does delay bring anything other than not making the change?
The survey is only open for two weeks, which doesn't seem like a lot of time to gather views from all of our communities. The board has issued a statement, < https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2020-June/095051.html%3E, which says: "The timeline can still change if the Board decides it." However, it gives no indication that the survey will be extended, so I would recommend that people fill it out now.
In practice a delay might simply stop the rename entirely; the prospect, or result, of elections might change the board's appetite for this. But I think delay also offers benefits for those in favor of rebranding--it would give the board and the rebranding team a chance to fully make the case for change and bring people on board, and allow time for cool-headed discussion. When options are just thrown at us and we are left to organize our own straw polls on the matter, it's not surprising that there would be overwhelming opposition. If you want to collect honey, throwing a rock at the hive is usually a bad idea.
I don't think our current branding (for lack of a better term) is ideal, and, like Joseph, I think reorienting around Wikipedia could actually be a good move, even once we account for all the risks. But there's no chance of any consensus for change emerging as long as there's an imminent threat and everybody is in battle mode.
Benjamin
BTW: I'm a litlle more informed now as I just did the survey. I like re-centering on Wikipedia and most definitely dislike "Network" for movement and trying to co-opt "wiki".
Hi Phoebe,
I remotely participated in the Sunday meeting and also the Monday WALRUS meeting. The general sense of both discussions was strongly in support of the developing draft letter, which has now been released.
I agree with endorsing its call for a pause in the renaming process. This will allow time for members of the Wikimedia community to learn about and participate in a more open and transparent discussion of the future of this volunteer community.
Thank you, Phoebe, for your efforts in behalf of Wikimedia New England, and the worldwide Wikimedia projects in general.
--Alan (User: Reify-tech)
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM phoebe ayers phoebe.ayers@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedia New England - late tonight and tomorrow afternoon, we are hosting a community discussion of the proposed Wikimedia rebrand. I'll be there; happy to answer questions. Others are welcome to join. There's also a survey; I'll send the link to everyone soon. best, Phoebe
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Subject: [All-affiliates] June 21 All-Affiliates Brand Meeting To: Wikimedia Affiliates all-affiliates@lists.wikimedia.org
All Wikimedia affiliates are invited to join an urgent meeting on the Brand Project in two sessions on Sunday June 21, regarding the most recent developments. This has been proposed and discussed on the "Wiki User Groups Affiliates" Telegram channel.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/All-Affiliates_Brand_Meeting
3:00 UTC (Asia-Pacific friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592708427) https://meet.google.com/mff-bsiy-tvd
19:00 UTC (Europe-Africa-Americas friendly time - https://zonestamp.com/1592766035) https://meet.google.com/hjq-ptwx-aex
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