Sorry MAK,
I didn't mean that. What I said is simple, there are always lot of people (including myself!) who discuss and a small team who translate the discussion in the words!
Why don't you check the draft and identify the clauses that's needs to be change and modified!
Now, we have something to discuss and to finalize. Is not it a good mid-point start???
Hope this clarifies you.
MH
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All,
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Munir Hasan munir.hasan@bdosn.orgwrote:
Thank you Shabab for the clarification.
Indeed, we discuss a lot but without a material progress. however, that is also a part of forming any organization. People have to discuss a lot and then some of then took the pain of doing some material things and bring them beck to the discussion.
This is not the first initiative to achieve material progress, some of us have ignored previous initiatives, might have been busy then. Don't just say nobody tried.
If you are pointing me as "The people" only discuss and don't take any pain. I don't want to list my deeds here to prove you incorrect, I feel pity for some of the deserving community members - who are being crucified now.
If the ChapCom members (currently subscribed to this list) don't have the time to digg (list archives, blogs, edit counts) for meritocracy and going to listen to autocracy - "The people" should go away from this community.
have a nice day. mak_
I hope the discussion of having a good chapter will continue for the betterment of our community.
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.mustafa@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear all,
The discussion about forming a chapter is running for almost two years. We have discussed about that several times in our meet-ups, mailing lists and spent hours in IRC channel. But unfortunately there was no material progress so far. So some active community members formed a small team with interested persons to work more seriously on this and to speed up the process. I think this is how na organization forms including Wikimedia Chapters.
And another thing to clarify to avoid misconceptions, though these signatories are some selected members of the community, they are not the final 'Executive Committee'. These people will just help to form the chapter and will responsible for shaping and preparing the chapter for it's first general election, where members of the community will elect people for their own executive committee. The full process will be a democratic process. In short, this is just an interim committee until the election to carry on the official tasks.
Regards,
Shabab Mustafa
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Goutam Roy gtmroy@gmail.com wrote:
Like Belayet Bhai and others, I also think that without previous discussion with the community, any committee should not be formed and run. I hope the committee formation process will be transparent as well. All of us should consider seriously this raising issue.
Thanks and regards,
Goutam Roy
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.comwrote:
belayet,
Your name is still in meta page. Not as a member of the "future board", but as one of the interred people. _____ *Béria Lima*
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* **
2011/5/26 Belayet Hossain bellayet@gmail.com
I worked for the formation of Wikimedia Bangladesh chapters for several years. Several times I call people to discuss and participate at the chapter formation process. But this time I wonder there is no discussion about the chapter setup committee as well the draft memorandum at the mailing list or at Wikis or at any meetups.
Without any previous discussion with the community and any open call for participation that committee has been formed and announced. Also the proposed memorandum that submitted to the chapter committee without any consent of previously who are involved with the chapter formation process. Though I am active in my Wikimedia activities, without informing me, my name have been erased from the Chapter page at the Meta page. And no one from the self declared Chapter setup committee has contact me on this issue. There is no meetups or online meeting has been called publicly to discussion about this issue. Without knowing people they discussed the issue among themselves and declare the committee and the memorandum at mailing list.
I'd like to request the people who are involved with that tasks, Please be transparent with this process. Call the community to involve and discuss with them. Don't be a part of any collusion without informing people who are worked for and involved with this initiatives for several years. Wikimedia Bangladesh must be a community driven organization, should not be a personal asset.
Regards Belayet
On 26 May 2011 01:37, mak mahayalamkhan@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear All, > > Can anyone tell us, what was the selection procedure followed, to > select the member of executive committee. Have we missed the discussion of > forming of the committee in this mailing list? > > regards > mak_ > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM, tonmoy khan tonmoy.du@gmail.comwrote: > >> For those who are new to the idea of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter & >> its creation process, I would suggest pls go through the meta page >> of >> Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. There you will find details about a >> Wikimedia Chapter, its purpose & activities, about Wikimedia >> Bangladesh, steps to follow for formation of the chapter, draft of >> proposed memorandum of association & other related materials. >> >> We have formally submitted a draft of proposed memorandum of >> Wikimedia >> Bangladesh to the Chapter committee & they are reviewing it. Members >> of the chapter committee & other interested people from different >> existing chapters are subscribing to wikimedia-bd mailing list for >> this purpose. Hence, we initiated this thread in English for easier >> understanding of those who don't know Bangla. >> >> Hope every one is clear regarding the language of this thread. >> Inviting all to participate actively in this discussion. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ali Haidar Khan Tonmoy >> >> On 5/25/11, Shabab Mustafa shabab.mustafa@gmail.com wrote: >> > @Ashickur, >> > >> > Please, follow Article II of 'Article of association of Wikimedia >> Bangladesh >> > Foundation' [1] (proposed) for the details about Membership. >> (Scroll down a >> > bit and you will find the details. >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > --- >> > Shabab Mustafa >> > >> > [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh/MoA >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shabab >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Md Ashickur Rahman Noor < >> > ashickur.noor@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> ভাই এই মেইলটা কি বাংলায় লেখা যায় না, খবর টা যেহেতু বাংলাদেশীদের >> জন্য তাই >> >> বাংলা হলে ভাল হয়। আর এই chapter এ ঢুকব কিভাবে? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dedicated Linux Forum in >> >> Bangladesh< >> http://forums.linuxdesh.com/member.php?action=register&referrer=3%20 >> > >> >> Follow Me Twiter https://twitter.com/#%21/AshickunNoor >> >> Thank you >> >> Md Ashickur Rahman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Rahman Khan >> >> rahman.khan.john@gmail.comwrote: >> >> >> >>> Please make it Bangla Wikipedia NOT Bengali. Thank you. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Ragib Hasan < >> ragibhasan@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Wikipedians, >> >>>> >> >>>> I am very pleased to announce our initiative to create an >> official >> >>>> Bangladesh chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, named Wikimedia >> >>>> Bangladesh. Maybe many of you already know: currently the >> existence of >> >>>> this chapter is unofficial, but we believe it is time to get an >> >>>> official identity to promote free knowledge all over Bangladesh >> more >> >>>> efficiently. We have already formed a small work-group to work >> in this >> >>>> process [1]. >> >>>> >> >>>> Wikimedia Bangladesh will be a non-profit organisation devoted >> towards >> >>>> promoting Wikipedia and related projects and creating public >> awareness >> >>>> in Bangladesh. >> >>>> >> >>>> To kick-start the process, we have contacted the Chapters >> Committee >> >>>> [2] of the Wikimedia Foundation. We also updated our chapter >> page [3] >> >>>> on Meta-Wiki [4]. We have also submitted the draft of our >> Memorandum >> >>>> of Association [5]. 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