Speaking as someone who served on a board with him for a year I would happily trust Craig - his biggest strengths are his probity / honesty, his understanding of the finances and ability to ask intelligent questions on them and his ability to negotiate outcomes. He was the chair of our strategic planning subcommittee and took it right through to a completed plan. Lodewijk is someone I've worked a lot with and has a genuine understanding of the issues affecting the international scene and the movement, has the experience of being on an emerging chapter board which became successful, and I've rarely had cause to disagree with him on such matters and trust his judgement and moderation / negotiating skills. Liam is also solidly abreast of the international issues within the movement (he taught me a lot before my first Berlin conference in 2010) and he is, like the others, well informed and well thought out in his approach, and a good listener. As I see it there are three really good candidates - thankfully I'm not in the situation of having to pick between them!
kindest regards Andrew (ex-WM Australia committee member)
On 14 April 2012 15:32, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
fyi Liam was one of my personal favorite this time.
I though not sure about how he commits about Asia Development but at least he is reachable to me and rest of HK board and even volunteers :)
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com < jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hm. I wonder if Liam would make for a more viable candidate from Australia. He's on the Wikimedia Philippines shortlist as well, and he may be more familiar to people on this list than Craig is.
Josh
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Hi John I have notice all your good work on the issues
I think that's your joint work, and would be good for me, as I am rather in a position supporting regional development
But I think the consideration of the Hong Kong board is rather local
how their voice will be heard in the new board is most important consideration
I am not sure about WMHK board had already ruled out Criag (I repeat, I cannot speak for the board, and just reflecting their opinion in acceptable way)
but the problem is if the one who can ask the HK board to support Criag is only himself (as I estimates)
As I understands HK board is feeling ignored and being heavily persuade by the Indonesians to support somebody sounds unreachable to them.
That's why they tend to turn to sb tend to more europeans, becoz at least they know them talk with them
If Criag dun like to show up on this list, I think the only way is probably he could write a letter to all Asian Boards to show his firm support on Asian developments
otherwise I can only see no chance we can reach anything but Europeans
btw Patricio is never on the list of support from HK board as I know
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Jerry,
I have been on this list for years. It's been pretty quiet here.
Craig hasnt joined this list now because he does not want to be part of discussions about himself and other candidates.
I can only speak about what the Wikimedia Australia board has been doing with Asia over the last few years. Before 2010, we had no money and no capacity.
After Fundraiser 2010, we had money. The board, including Craig, agrees we have to use it to build local and regional engagement. We struggled in the first year because one board member wanted all money to go to Australia only, because our Statement of Purpose says Australia only.
http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Statement_of_Purpose
The rest of us argue that Australia is only a core activity, but our scope is broader.
For Berlin 2010, Wikimedia Australia funded two international attendees, however WMDE refused to let us fund them directly. They wanted all money to go to Berlin, and they would book flights. We wanted to ensure these international attendees were from an Asian chapter, but we were not allowed to publish a resolution to say this. So we sent money to Berlin. ;-(
For RecentChangesCamp 2011, WMAU provided travel sponsorship for Chriswaterguy, Wikipedian & co-founder of Appropedia, to come from Singapore to Australia. Chris has since become a member of WMAU, and is now a moderator on this list. We selected him to be the 'Australian' moderator because he spends most of his time in Asian, so he has language and cultural experience the rest of us Australians do not have.
WMAU brought Siska to the Meta 2011 conference. Siska also came over for two Wiki meetups last November.
For RecentChangesCamp 2012, WMAU provided travel sponsorship for Crisco 1492, to come from Indonesia, and user:Sonia to come from New Zealand. WMAU is very keen to help a NZ chapter start. We were considering a sponsorship for Taweetham (WM Thailand) but then we find out he is already here in Australia for other reasons.
https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Canberra/RCC2012/... We wanted to sponsor applicants Arvin Ello or Tanvir Rahman, however they were waiting for WMF grant first, but they were rejected, so by the time we looked to sponsor them, their visas wouldnt be approved in time . https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Arvin_Ello/RecentChangesCamp2012 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikitanvir/RecentChangesCamp_2012 So we sponsored Danny B.
At our AGM in October 2011, the WMAU members, including Craig, approved a conference in Indonesia. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2012_Languages_conference That program could not proceed as written due to the fundraiser changes, but it is only on hold.
Before 2010 we were a local organisation, struggling with no money. Since 2010 Craig has been the treasurer approving money for networking with our Asian neighbours. We are only starting to reach out, and building capacity (lots of hard work ;-( ) and we've focused on our immediate neighbours, which is practical. However if you have been to Australia you will surely know that Australia is as much Asian culture as it is European.
We want to see more conferences, especially in SE Asia. We hope Asia wins the Wikimania bid, so we can send lots of people to it.
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan yuyu@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Well I think Criag owe you a big cup of tea or coffee, Kartika
But talking about reachability, may be I am a bit ahead to get
involved of
rest of you I dun think the board is unreachable, or course I dun think they will
speak
for us all the time
but compare between Alice/Patricio & Criag the Australian seems more unreachable to me, so why I suggested the
others
when the HK board member had consulted my views and eventually they have picked somebody else at this stage.
I think the awkward thing is you guys from Indonesian & Australian
chapter
saying that your nominees care about us and reachable but the rest of us (at least HK) did feel that at all where atre they at first place? did they really try to talk to us? THEY ARE NOT EVEN ON THIS LIST! or send us a single e-mail call for support
so are we frankly begging them represent us? as they are not even put support us on their agenda!
so I dun think group decision will work AT ALL at this moment unless the candidates (who WMID nominates) willing to change their patronizing attitudes (sorry, that's my real impression, sorry if this offend anyone)
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Kartika Sari Henry kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
+1
I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on
one
candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as
being a
viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this
national mode
of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
Based on the Asian Chapters views, I guessed Alice or Patricio are
not our
preferences. I doubt that neither of them is interested in what
happened
internationally or particularly in Asia. We refuse to support them
since
they main interest might be only for Europe/Latin America. Moreover,
we
already have European on the Board, and looks like they are going to
agree
on each other despite of who to support them before (namely Asian).
The
chapters list discussion clearly indicates the supporter want to stop
the
discussing process because they will win a landslide vote.
If WMID could vote on one name, we will go for Craig. At least we
have a
closer Board of Trustees around for smaller Asian Chapters. We are
happy to
keep reminding him how he got the position and what he promised. Only
random
thought, but having Australian/Asian as a representative will be advantageous since it's easier for he/she to help Asian potential and
meet
them face to face. Or, Asian (or potential) chapters representative
could
come to Australia instead for face to face meeting. That's more
visible for
us rather than sending someone to Europe or America. Personally, I
feel that
our current European/American boards are 'unreachable', we need a more reliable and closer board.
We could argue about this, but I don't think it's even worth our
time. We
know in fact that some non-Asian, non-Australian Chapters are willing
to
support Craig. It's likely Craig will secure a seat in Board of
Trustees if
we agree to support him.
Regards,
Kartika
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:34 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on
one
candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as
being a
viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this
national mode
of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
As it is, even people in the region think the idea of Wikimedia Asia
is
but that: an idea. We should at least try to prove them wrong.
Josh
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On 8 April 2012 23:01, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan <
deryckchan@wikimedia.hk>
> wrote: > > The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally
we're
> > a much > > more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia
sphere
> > our > > interests are less aligned with each other than they. > > I completely agree, that's why I suggested to go as individual > chapters as another option. > > > With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing
Asian
> > Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm > > wrong), > > coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the
best
> > interests of individual chapters among us. > > But then again what the point of having this list if we keep > separating each other? For fun? * it might work too IMHO *
We all know that - to help us talk to each other, and investigate the possibility of cooperating. If we decide to join up, great. But even
if we
decide to go separate ways, it's good that we've talked to each
other and
have come to that conclusion.
> > > So? One (HK) say we have to go individually for the chapter's best > interest, another (India) said we should do this regionally, how
about
> others? > > -- > Siska Doviana | Ketua Umum (Chair) 2011-2012 > Wikimedia Indonesia > Cell. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >
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