Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
Il 19/ago/2014 09:38 "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com ha scritto:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
Hi Gerard,
en.wp, de.wp and it.wp are three Wikipedias, so we are missing one :). Which one is that?
Thanks,
Cristian
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian@gmail.com
wrote:
Il 19/ago/2014 09:38 "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com ha scritto:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
Hi Gerard,
en.wp, de.wp and it.wp are three Wikipedias, so we are missing one :). Which one is that?
Thanks,
It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Best
Cristian
Hi Amir,
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com:
It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend.
Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly?
You may want to add some sort of "false positives" list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven.
That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!)
Thanks!
Cristian
[*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409&diff=151644019&oldid...
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Amir,
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com:
It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend.
Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly?
It's a lot more than that, It's just first parts of the report that gets until Q3000, Imagine how many it would be until the bot goes through the 17M items.
You may want to add some sort of "false positives" list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven.
That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!)
Thanks!
Cristian
[*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409&diff=151644019&oldid...
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
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2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
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It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
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I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
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Thanks for this.
You might want to filter it, though: For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85256 states "born in 1606" (no month or day given), but your report at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/26 gives it as 1606-01-01, which then conflicts with the date given in Wikipedias (1606-03-18).
Wikidata is less precise than Wikipedia here, but not actually wrong. Maybe these cases should be treated separately from the potential errors.
Cheers, Magnus
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
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Yes, I have two options, I can just skip them or I can mark them in another color like pink or something else.
What do you think? and what color if you recommend the latter.
Best
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Thanks for this.
You might want to filter it, though: For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85256 states "born in 1606" (no month or day given), but your report at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/26 gives it as 1606-01-01, which then conflicts with the date given in Wikipedias (1606-03-18).
Wikidata is less precise than Wikipedia here, but not actually wrong. Maybe these cases should be treated separately from the potential errors.
Cheers, Magnus
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
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Report 2.1 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.1 is now colored, red means no source for the statement in Wikidata, yellow means source is P143 (probably Wikipedia), and otherwise it's green. I also published version Report 2.2 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.2 which is version 2.1 but imprecise dates are filtered out. And Report 2.3 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.3 which is version 2 with filtered out imprecise dates. i.e.
Version Colored? Wikidata against 3 WPs With imprecise dates? Report 2 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2 No No Yes Report 2.1 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.1 Yes Yes Yes Report 2.2 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.2 Yes Yes No Report 2.3 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.3 Yes No No
Best
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I have two options, I can just skip them or I can mark them in another color like pink or something else.
What do you think? and what color if you recommend the latter.
Best
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this.
You might want to filter it, though: For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85256 states "born in 1606" (no month or day given), but your report at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/26 gives it as 1606-01-01, which then conflicts with the date given in Wikipedias (1606-03-18).
Wikidata is less precise than Wikipedia here, but not actually wrong. Maybe these cases should be treated separately from the potential errors.
Cheers, Magnus
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
I started this report, you can find it here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible and rather easy to add them .just several regexes and list of months in that language are needed. but the issue is no major wikis except these three are using a person data template (Almost all of them have the template but almost none of them are using it widely) If any other wiki is using a person data template widely, I would be happy to implement it.
Best
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com :
Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about "humans" and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata.
The idea is that the report will be updated regularly.
The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1].
Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM
[1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/GuidelinesWikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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