Hi,
according to DG MARKT, they have received 11.117 responses to their copyright consultation. Given the scope of this consultation, it is a rather high number (even if it includes many duplicate responses)
https://twitter.com/EU_Markt/status/441516307515998208
Mathias
We could obviously have generated many more responses if we had wanted to. Any thoughts on when/how we should do that, if ever?
Luis
2014-03-07 0:59 GMT-08:00 Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de :
Hi,
according to DG MARKT, they have received 11.117 responses to their copyright consultation. Given the scope of this consultation, it is a rather high number (even if it includes many duplicate responses)
https://twitter.com/EU_Markt/status/441516307515998208
Mathias
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2014-03-07 17:25 GMT+01:00 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
We could obviously have generated many more responses if we had wanted to. Any thoughts on when/how we should do that, if ever?
DG MARKT has not released any statements on the methodology of the consulation analysis. According to Kerstin Jorna from the commission, the methodology will be developed "on the fly" while they are reading the responses. Most likely, similar/identical statements will be considered as one statement. Multiplying the number of responses to the commission will most likely not have a beneficial effect in this case.
There might be future opportunities with a different calculation. Or we might come up with a plan of creating many many responses that will not be considered identical in nature and counted as one.
The next opportunity in my opinion, however, is a different one: Analysis of the consultation raw data. Several people have urged DG MARKT to release the raw data as soon as possible. If this happens soon and if we manage to conduct analysis of the responses before the commission, we can shape the perception of this consultation. This would be a work item with high effort and potential high reward.
Mathias
Hi,
I actually thought it is not wise to "overdo it" with the copy/pasted responses. I had the chance to chat briefly with Marco Giorello, who is deputy head of unit "Copyright" at DG MARKT and responsible for the consultation. He said that while it is good to see one set of responses is supported by more than one organisation, they are sceptical about mass submissions, as they want to include all viewpoints and not just reflect the most active groups. Still, if they present answers in a quantitative way, it could come in handy to have the most respondents on your side.
About the data: so far the Commission has always released the full data sets. Going through past consultations it is even possible to see how each respondent answered. So the data will be published, we need to put the emphasis on a timely release when we ask for it. That will be crucial.
In case they really go through with another attempt at a "notice and action" Directive, they might actually open a new consultation. But that's just guessing for now. Otherwise we don't need to wait for a call to give our opinion. We can comment and release statements about the copyright reform pretty much every step of the way. If the commission releases an actual white paper we should be prepared to write up a position paper (the more people follow the process actively, the higher our chances). The white paper is expected before summer.
Dimi
2014-03-07 17:35 GMT+01:00 Mathias Schindler <mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de
:
2014-03-07 17:25 GMT+01:00 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
We could obviously have generated many more responses if we had wanted
to.
Any thoughts on when/how we should do that, if ever?
DG MARKT has not released any statements on the methodology of the consulation analysis. According to Kerstin Jorna from the commission, the methodology will be developed "on the fly" while they are reading the responses. Most likely, similar/identical statements will be considered as one statement. Multiplying the number of responses to the commission will most likely not have a beneficial effect in this case.
There might be future opportunities with a different calculation. Or we might come up with a plan of creating many many responses that will not be considered identical in nature and counted as one.
The next opportunity in my opinion, however, is a different one: Analysis of the consultation raw data. Several people have urged DG MARKT to release the raw data as soon as possible. If this happens soon and if we manage to conduct analysis of the responses before the commission, we can shape the perception of this consultation. This would be a work item with high effort and potential high reward.
Mathias
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
2014-03-07 17:25 GMT+01:00 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
We could obviously have generated many more responses if we had wanted
to.
Any thoughts on when/how we should do that, if ever?
DG MARKT has not released any statements on the methodology of the consulation analysis. According to Kerstin Jorna from the commission, the methodology will be developed "on the fly" while they are reading the responses. Most likely, similar/identical statements will be considered as one statement. Multiplying the number of responses to the commission will most likely not have a beneficial effect in this case.
Aye, the norm in the US (and I assume Europe but correct me if I'm wrong) is to give people a script/sample letter to write. This is considered 'best practice' but I know from my time in the MA state house we counted them in a very different way, sending off a form letter/email and checking off a box. More personalized responses got significantly more attention though. The same thing could be said for the 'regulars', many of the people who sign and send in a form letter or post card are the same people who will do that over and over again.
The biggest take away I remember hearing from people in Washington after the SOPA protest was that they didn't see that with us and that's what got their attention so much. We gave people the contact info for their representatives but we never gave them a script (or even, really, talking points). They got massive amounts of phone calls and emails they attributed to our campaign but those emails and phone calls were from people they had never heard from before and they were personalized, in the voice of the person calling. It's that type of person who remembers it when they vote later, and so elected officials listen.
In the end I think we could likely do something similar again, making sure that we get the word out but that we don't direct people on what to say, let them do it if they feel it's important. We can only do that so often, but I do think it's a very valuable tool in our back pocket.
James
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2014-03-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org:
The biggest take away I remember hearing from people in Washington after the SOPA protest was that they didn't see that with us and that's what got their attention so much. We gave people the contact info for their representatives but we never gave them a script (or even, really, talking points). They got massive amounts of phone calls and emails they attributed to our campaign but those emails and phone calls were from people they had never heard from before and they were personalized, in the voice of the person calling. It's that type of person who remembers it when they vote later, and so elected officials listen.
Such an effect depends on a system of constituency and some degree of personal responsibility. If, for example, a new InfoSoc directive moves to the European Parliament, such an intervention might be warranted (both for the plenary or the relevant committee sessions). In fact, some groups currently try to have people call their members in the EP in order to save net neutrality.
Mathias
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