He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda. https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18 MB of freading, cca 250 pages. Jan ______________________________________________________________
Od: Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51 Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
i've contacted ŠTEFANEC Ivan ivan.stefanec@europarl.europa.eu with some mixed results.
he believes in press release by pavel svoboda http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde... http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117 which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which i doubt.
but after a second email:
Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
It is evident, that I acitvelly support freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and I will vote according to this.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to coordinate if no one else wants.
Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't tabled it.
Dimi
На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk написа:
hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our MEPs..
m On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D votes) by the JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to get an amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to co-sign it.
We
need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you could find some from SK, that would be awesome!
As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very comprehensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_focus
2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
ok,
just to clarify: it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet another stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
michal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
wrote:
Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably not on
the
advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things:
-Media noise in each member state -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from plenary -Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two.
I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an outstanding job
there
to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how we can
do
the
same in SK.
Dimi
2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
hi
there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by european parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or is it
just
panicing?
ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%20COMPARL%20PE-549.469%2001%20DOC%20PDF%20V0%2F%2FEN
michal
michal palenik
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
The argument that personal Facebook uploads are 'non-commercial' does not hold water.
Any private individual who uploads personal photographs to a social media website will be affected, as most sites require users to warrant that their uploads do not not infringe the intellectual property rights of any third party. Anybody using social media to share even private photographs that include a modern building or streetscape within the view will be in breach of the warranty and will be at significant legal risk.
Also, many websites state in their small print that uploads are automatically licensed to the site owner under a worldwide non-exclusive licence for any purpose (even commercial). Uploaders will not be in a position to grant such a licence, as they will no longer be the sole copyright owner of their own photographs.
The relevant clauses in the Facebook legal terms can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
* 2.1 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy https://www.facebook.com/privacy/ and application settings https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License).
* 5.1 You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.
Michael
Jan Loužek mailto:jan.louzek@wikimedia.cz 24 June 2015 14:07
He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda.
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18 MB of freading, cca 250 pages.
Jan
Od: Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51 Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
i've contacted ŠTEFANEC Ivan ivan.stefanec@europarl.europa.eu with some mixed results.
he believes in press release by pavel svoboda http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde... http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117 which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which i doubt.
but after a second email:
Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
It is evident, that I acitvelly support freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and I will vote according to this.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to
coordinate
if no one else wants.
Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't
tabled it.
Dimi
На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk написа:
hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our MEPs..
m On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
Dimitrov wrote:
The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D
votes) by the
JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to
get an
amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to
co-sign it.
We
need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you
could find
some from SK, that would be awesome!
As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very
comprehensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc...
2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
ok,
just to clarify: it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet
another
stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
michal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
wrote:
Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably
not on
the
advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things:
-Media noise in each member state -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from
plenary
-Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two.
I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an
outstanding job
there
to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how
we can
do
the
same in SK.
Dimi
2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
> hi > > there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by
european
> parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or
is it
just
> panicing? > > ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada > >
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%...
> > michal > -- > michal palenik > >
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
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hi micheal,
should we add a special use cases to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc... eg "can I upload my photos to facebook?" "no because according to 2.1..."
but in this specific case I assume that facebook/google/... has collective agreements with all authors/architects associations.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 04:57:05PM +0100, Michael Maggs wrote:
The argument that personal Facebook uploads are 'non-commercial' does not hold water.
Any private individual who uploads personal photographs to a social media website will be affected, as most sites require users to warrant that their uploads do not not infringe the intellectual property rights of any third party. Anybody using social media to share even private photographs that include a modern building or streetscape within the view will be in breach of the warranty and will be at significant legal risk.
Also, many websites state in their small print that uploads are automatically licensed to the site owner under a worldwide non-exclusive licence for any purpose (even commercial). Uploaders will not be in a position to grant such a licence, as they will no longer be the sole copyright owner of their own photographs.
The relevant clauses in the Facebook legal terms can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
2.1 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy https://www.facebook.com/privacy/ and application settings https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License).
5.1 You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.
Michael
Jan Loužek mailto:jan.louzek@wikimedia.cz 24 June 2015 14:07
He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda.
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18 MB of freading, cca 250 pages.
Jan
Od: Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51 Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
i've contacted ŠTEFANEC Ivan ivan.stefanec@europarl.europa.eu with some mixed results.
he believes in press release by pavel svoboda http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde... http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117 which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which i doubt.
but after a second email:
Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
It is evident, that I acitvelly support freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and I will vote according to this.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to
coordinate
if no one else wants.
Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't tabled
it.
Dimi
На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk написа:
hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our MEPs..
m On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
wrote:
The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D votes) by
the
JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to get
an
amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to co-sign
it.
We
need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you could
find
some from SK, that would be awesome!
As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very
comprehensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc...
2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
ok,
just to clarify: it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet
another
stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
michal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
wrote:
> Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably not
on
the
> advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things: > > -Media noise in each member state > -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from
plenary
> -Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two. > > I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an outstanding
job
there > to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how we
can
do
the > same in SK. > > Dimi > > 2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk: > > > hi > > > > there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by
european
> > parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or is
it
just
> > panicing? > > > > ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada > > > >
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%...
> > > > michal > > -- > > michal palenik > > > >
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
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We could add something, but that Signpost article was published a while ago, I think.
Michael
Michal Palenik mailto:michal@palenik.sk 24 June 2015 17:17 hi micheal,
should we add a special use cases to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc... eg "can I upload my photos to facebook?" "no because according to 2.1..."
but in this specific case I assume that facebook/google/... has collective agreements with all authors/architects associations.
michal
Michael Maggs mailto:Michael@maggs.name 24 June 2015 16:57 The argument that personal Facebook uploads are 'non-commercial' does not hold water.
Any private individual who uploads personal photographs to a social media website will be affected, as most sites require users to warrant that their uploads do not not infringe the intellectual property rights of any third party. Anybody using social media to share even private photographs that include a modern building or streetscape within the view will be in breach of the warranty and will be at significant legal risk.
Also, many websites state in their small print that uploads are automatically licensed to the site owner under a worldwide non-exclusive licence for any purpose (even commercial). Uploaders will not be in a position to grant such a licence, as they will no longer be the sole copyright owner of their own photographs.
The relevant clauses in the Facebook legal terms can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
2.1 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy https://www.facebook.com/privacy/ and application settings https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License).
5.1 You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.
Michael
Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors Jan Loužek mailto:jan.louzek@wikimedia.cz 24 June 2015 14:07
He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda.
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18 MB of freading, cca 250 pages.
Jan
Od: Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51 Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
i've contacted ŠTEFANEC Ivan ivan.stefanec@europarl.europa.eu with some mixed results.
he believes in press release by pavel svoboda http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde... http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117 which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which i doubt.
but after a second email:
Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
It is evident, that I acitvelly support freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and I will vote according to this.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to
coordinate
if no one else wants.
Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't
tabled it.
Dimi
На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk написа:
hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our MEPs..
m On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
Dimitrov wrote:
The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D
votes) by the
JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to
get an
amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to
co-sign it.
We
need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you
could find
some from SK, that would be awesome!
As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very
comprehensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc...
2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
ok,
just to clarify: it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet
another
stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
michal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
wrote:
Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably
not on
the
advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things:
-Media noise in each member state -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from
plenary
-Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two.
I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an
outstanding job
there
to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how
we can
do
the
same in SK.
Dimi
2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
> hi > > there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by
european
> parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or
is it
just
> panicing? > > ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada > >
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%...
> > michal > -- > michal palenik > >
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
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Michael, I think you're right.
BUT I also think that all the headlines about "your holiday photographs are threatened" are not ideal, because they give those who created the JURI text too easy a way to sidestep away and claim "you've misunderstood our proposal".
That's why personally I'd prefer the debate to centre on use that *is* unambiguously commercial (and for our own material to reflect that) -- and to win that debate on the grounds of freedom, access to knowledge, creativity, the "potentially damaging restriction of the debate about architecture and public space" as RIBA put it, and part of the very soul of public art being the public discussion it then sets up.
-- James
On 24/06/2015 16:57, Michael Maggs wrote:
The argument that personal Facebook uploads are 'non-commercial' does not hold water.
Any private individual who uploads personal photographs to a social media website will be affected, as most sites require users to warrant that their uploads do not not infringe the intellectual property rights of any third party. Anybody using social media to share even private photographs that include a modern building or streetscape within the view will be in breach of the warranty and will be at significant legal risk.
Also, many websites state in their small print that uploads are automatically licensed to the site owner under a worldwide non-exclusive licence for any purpose (even commercial). Uploaders will not be in a position to grant such a licence, as they will no longer be the sole copyright owner of their own photographs.
The relevant clauses in the Facebook legal terms can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
2.1 For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy https://www.facebook.com/privacy/ and application settings https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License).
5.1 You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law.
Michael
Jan Loužek mailto:jan.louzek@wikimedia.cz 24 June 2015 14:07
He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda.
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18 MB of freading, cca 250 pages.
Jan
Od: Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51 Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
i've contacted ŠTEFANEC Ivan ivan.stefanec@europarl.europa.eu with some mixed results.
he believes in press release by pavel svoboda http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde... http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117
which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which i doubt.
but after a second email:
Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
It is evident, that I acitvelly support freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and I will vote according to this.
michal
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to
coordinate
if no one else wants.
Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't
tabled it.
Dimi
На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk написа:
hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our
MEPs..
m On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
Dimitrov wrote:
The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D
votes) by the
JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to
get an
amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to
co-sign it.
We
need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you
could find
some from SK, that would be awesome!
As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very
comprehensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_foc...
2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk:
ok,
just to clarify: it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet
another
stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
michal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
Dimitrov
wrote:
> Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably
not on
the
> advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things: > > -Media noise in each member state > -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from
plenary
> -Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two. > > I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an
outstanding job
there > to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how
we can
do
the > same in SK. > > Dimi > > 2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik michal@palenik.sk: > > > hi > > > > there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by
european
> > parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or
is it
just
> > panicing? > > > > ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada > > > >
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%...
> > > > michal > > -- > > michal palenik > > > >
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
-- michal palenik
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