Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year?
Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij)
www.wikimedia.nl
Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht
Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee:
Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland < rientjes@wikimedia.nl>:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year?
Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij)
www.wikimedia.nl
Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht
Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee:
Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined.
Regards, Eva
On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <rientjes@wikimedia.nl mailto:rientjes@wikimedia.nl>:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year? Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij) www.wikimedia.nl <http://www.wikimedia.nl> Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik <eva@kodu.ee <mailto:eva@kodu.ee>>: Dear all, the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200 or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/ Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too. The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan? Best regards Eva Lepik Wikimedia Eesti chairperson _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Hi all,
I feel like I should step in, although I was curious to see how the conversation goes :)
We have now published an analysis of the EU copyright reform. It aims to be nuanced in explaining which parts are good, what has been missed and which aspects are plain ugly. It concludes that this reform, bottom line, is a step in the wrong direction: https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/02/07/problems-remain-with-the-eus-copy...
This blog post is supposed to set the tone for further actions. We are waiting to see how the Council meeting (tomorrow, Friday) goes and then whether there will be a final deal at the trilogues next week. We are working with Communia and especially WMIT to try to bring up the question of a missing UGC exception at these meetings, as we feel like this has the greatest chance of getting traction.
If there is a final deal next week, we can expect a final, plenary vote end of March or in April. Public actions, if any, should be targeted at this final vote. Right now Anna and myself are working on a document with possible scenarios describing which actions could be taken by Wikimedia organisations. We will share it once done (perhaps not on a public list like this). If you feel like joining the editing process, please let me know! Timewise it would be good to have these actions laid out by the end of this month, so we can be ready for an end of March vote (if it happens).
I hope this helps somewhat.
Cheers, Dimi
На чт, 7.02.2019 г. в 14:04 ч. Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee написа:
So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined.
Regards, Eva
On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland < rientjes@wikimedia.nl>:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year?
Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij)
www.wikimedia.nl
Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht
Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee:
Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Speaking from North America, I've been disappointed that I have NOT seen huge banners warning the international public of the threats this poses -- even to the future existence of civilization. I'm serious about the latter: Both former US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Daniel Ellsberg (of "Pentagon Papers" fame) have said that as long as large nuclear arsenals exist, it is only a matter of time before some misunderstanding leads to a nuclear war killing at least a third of humanity -- primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. However, Ellsberg further says that such an event will almost certainly lead to a nuclear winter as a result of which 98% of the survivors will starve to death. I've estimated over a 10% chance of such an event in the next 40 years.[1]
Media organizations like Wikipedia are part of the solution to this and virtually every other substantive problem facing humanity today, in my judgment: Progress on every substantive issue I can think of is blocked, because every countermeasure threatens someone with substantive control over the media. People with power are threatened by the Wikimedia project, because it's a source of information they cannot control.[2]
If you see things that people outside Europe can do, please let me know. So far, I'm primarily focused on anti-nuke work and improving the media where I live.
Thanks for all your hard work in support of the Wikimedia project.
Spencer Graves, PhD member of the Boards of KKFI.org, the Friends of Community Media (ourfcm.org) and PeaceWorksKC.org
and Founder EffectiveDefense.org 4550 Warwick Blvd 508 Kansas City, MO 64111 m: 408-655-4567
[1] Wikiversity, "Time to extinction of civilization" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Time_to_extinction_of_civilization).
[2] See other articles in Wikiversity, "Category:Freedom and abundance" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Freedom_and_abundance)
On 2019-02-07 07:04, Eva Lepik wrote:
So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined.
Regards, Eva
On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <rientjes@wikimedia.nl mailto:rientjes@wikimedia.nl>:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year? Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij) www.wikimedia.nl <http://www.wikimedia.nl> Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik <eva@kodu.ee <mailto:eva@kodu.ee>>: Dear all, the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200 or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/ Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too. The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan? Best regards Eva Lepik Wikimedia Eesti chairperson _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy _______________________________________________ Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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You must forgive me for overlooking something perhaps obvious, but I somehow missed your steps leading us from this copyright directive to nuclear winter.
Lodewijk
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 6:48 AM Spencer Graves < spencer.graves@effectivedefense.org> wrote:
Speaking from North America, I've been disappointed that I have NOTseen huge banners warning the international public of the threats this poses -- even to the future existence of civilization. I'm serious about the latter: Both former US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Daniel Ellsberg (of "Pentagon Papers" fame) have said that as long as large nuclear arsenals exist, it is only a matter of time before some misunderstanding leads to a nuclear war killing at least a third of humanity -- primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. However, Ellsberg further says that such an event will almost certainly lead to a nuclear winter as a result of which 98% of the survivors will starve to death. I've estimated over a 10% chance of such an event in the next 40 years.[1]
Media organizations like Wikipedia are part of the solution to thisand virtually every other substantive problem facing humanity today, in my judgment: Progress on every substantive issue I can think of is blocked, because every countermeasure threatens someone with substantive control over the media. People with power are threatened by the Wikimedia project, because it's a source of information they cannot control.[2]
If you see things that people outside Europe can do, please let meknow. So far, I'm primarily focused on anti-nuke work and improving the media where I live.
Thanks for all your hard work in support of the Wikimedia project. Spencer Graves, PhD member of the Boards of KKFI.org, the Friends of Community Media (ourfcm.org) and PeaceWorksKC.org
and Founder EffectiveDefense.org 4550 Warwick Blvd 508 Kansas City, MO 64111 m: 408-655-4567
[1] Wikiversity, "Time to extinction of civilization" ( https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Time_to_extinction_of_civilization).
[2] See other articles in Wikiversity, "Category:Freedom and abundance" ( https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Freedom_and_abundance)
On 2019-02-07 07:04, Eva Lepik wrote:
So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined.
Regards, Eva
On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland < rientjes@wikimedia.nl>:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year?
Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij)
www.wikimedia.nl
Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht
Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee:
Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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On 2019-02-07 09:01, L.Gelauff wrote:
You must forgive me for overlooking something perhaps obvious, but I somehow missed your steps leading us from this copyright directive to nuclear winter.
Thanks for the question. The key obstacle to progress on this and other issues is the control that global elites have over the media. The "Colored revolutions" that tore down the Iron Curtain in 1989 and the Arab Spring were organized in part by cracks in elite control over the media. That's why Wikipedia is blocked in Turkey and partially blocked in China, and I believe that's a major driver behind the efforts in the European Union to tame the internet, including Wikipedia. Two of the "Big Three" broadcasting networks in the US were purchased by major companies in the nuclear industry in the US in 1986 and 1995. People who think they benefit from the world's large nuclear arsenals don't want the rest of us to be able to get honest, reliable information about the threats posed by such arsenals, and the entire Wikimedia system threatens their social status, I believe.
Make sense? Thanks, Spencer Graves
Lodewijk
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 6:48 AM Spencer Graves <spencer.graves@effectivedefense.org mailto:spencer.graves@effectivedefense.org> wrote:
Speaking from North America, I've been disappointed that I have NOT seen huge banners warning the international public of the threats this poses -- even to the future existence of civilization. I'm serious about the latter: Both former US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Daniel Ellsberg (of "Pentagon Papers" fame) have said that as long as large nuclear arsenals exist, it is only a matter of time before some misunderstanding leads to a nuclear war killing at least a third of humanity -- primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. However, Ellsberg further says that such an event will almost certainly lead to a nuclear winter as a result of which 98% of the survivors will starve to death. I've estimated over a 10% chance of such an event in the next 40 years.[1] Media organizations like Wikipedia are part of the solution to this and virtually every other substantive problem facing humanity today, in my judgment: Progress on every substantive issue I can think of is blocked, because every countermeasure threatens someone with substantive control over the media. People with power are threatened by the Wikimedia project, because it's a source of information they cannot control.[2] If you see things that people outside Europe can do, please let me know. So far, I'm primarily focused on anti-nuke work and improving the media where I live. Thanks for all your hard work in support of the Wikimedia project. Spencer Graves, PhD member of the Boards of KKFI.org, the Friends of Community Media (ourfcm.org <http://ourfcm.org>) and PeaceWorksKC.org and Founder EffectiveDefense.org 4550 Warwick Blvd 508 Kansas City, MO 64111 m: 408-655-4567 [1] Wikiversity, "Time to extinction of civilization" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Time_to_extinction_of_civilization). [2] See other articles in Wikiversity, "Category:Freedom and abundance" (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Freedom_and_abundance) On 2019-02-07 07:04, Eva Lepik wrote:So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined. Regards, Eva On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive. Best regards, Jan Ainali Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <rientjes@wikimedia.nl <mailto:rientjes@wikimedia.nl>>: In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year? Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij) www.wikimedia.nl <http://www.wikimedia.nl> Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik <eva@kodu.ee <mailto:eva@kodu.ee>>: Dear all, the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200 or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/ Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too. The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan? 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Spencer:
I suggest that you create a separate email thread specifically on the topic that you wish to discuss. People can reply to that in the manner or length if they wish. Or, if they prefer to not discuss that topic, they can 'mute' the thread to opt-out of it. The topic you raise is important, but it is not the topic that was intended for THIS thread. I would politely suggest that changing the topic, to something you see as more important, is a sub-optimal approach as it would mean that no conversation can be held on any topic other than the one you wish to discuss.
If you would create a separate thread about the topic you DO wish to discuss, then we can return THIS thread to the specific issue and question that is raised in the subject-line: the current status of the E.U. Copyright Directive and our potential collective response to it.
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:20, Spencer Graves < spencer.graves@effectivedefense.org> wrote:
On 2019-02-07 09:01, L.Gelauff wrote:
You must forgive me for overlooking something perhaps obvious, but I somehow missed your steps leading us from this copyright directive to nuclear winter.
Thanks for the question. The key obstacle to progress on this andother issues is the control that global elites have over the media. The "Colored revolutions" that tore down the Iron Curtain in 1989 and the Arab Spring were organized in part by cracks in elite control over the media. That's why Wikipedia is blocked in Turkey and partially blocked in China, and I believe that's a major driver behind the efforts in the European Union to tame the internet, including Wikipedia. Two of the "Big Three" broadcasting networks in the US were purchased by major companies in the nuclear industry in the US in 1986 and 1995. People who think they benefit from the world's large nuclear arsenals don't want the rest of us to be able to get honest, reliable information about the threats posed by such arsenals, and the entire Wikimedia system threatens their social status, I believe.
Make sense? Thanks, Spencer GravesLodewijk
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 6:48 AM Spencer Graves < spencer.graves@effectivedefense.org> wrote:
Speaking from North America, I've been disappointed that I have NOTseen huge banners warning the international public of the threats this poses -- even to the future existence of civilization. I'm serious about the latter: Both former US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Daniel Ellsberg (of "Pentagon Papers" fame) have said that as long as large nuclear arsenals exist, it is only a matter of time before some misunderstanding leads to a nuclear war killing at least a third of humanity -- primarily in the Northern Hemisphere. However, Ellsberg further says that such an event will almost certainly lead to a nuclear winter as a result of which 98% of the survivors will starve to death. I've estimated over a 10% chance of such an event in the next 40 years.[1]
Media organizations like Wikipedia are part of the solution to thisand virtually every other substantive problem facing humanity today, in my judgment: Progress on every substantive issue I can think of is blocked, because every countermeasure threatens someone with substantive control over the media. People with power are threatened by the Wikimedia project, because it's a source of information they cannot control.[2]
If you see things that people outside Europe can do, please let meknow. So far, I'm primarily focused on anti-nuke work and improving the media where I live.
Thanks for all your hard work in support of the Wikimedia project. Spencer Graves, PhD member of the Boards of KKFI.org, the Friends of Community Media (ourfcm.org) and PeaceWorksKC.org
and Founder EffectiveDefense.org 4550 Warwick Blvd 508 Kansas City, MO 64111 m: 408-655-4567
[1] Wikiversity, "Time to extinction of civilization" ( https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Time_to_extinction_of_civilization).
[2] See other articles in Wikiversity, "Category:Freedom and abundance" ( https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Freedom_and_abundance)
On 2019-02-07 07:04, Eva Lepik wrote:
So, to be clear: are we all waiting for a Great Leader to step up, start coordinating and handing out the orders according to his/her master plan? Or shall WE start coordinating here and now, what shall WE do, quickly? This is our Internet which will be ruined.
Regards, Eva
On 07.02.2019 13:52, Jan Ainali wrote:
I believe a coordinated effort could have good effects. The proposal as it is right now (there will be trilogues next week that may change it) is so bad that it might be possible to sway some MEP votes to completely block the directive.
Best regards, Jan Ainali
Den tors 7 feb. 2019 kl 12:14 skrev Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland rientjes@wikimedia.nl:
In reply to Eva's question ("Do your chapters have an action plan?"). No, at the moment WMNL does not have a plan yet. Will there be coordinated action by Wikimedia affiliates like last year?
Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
tel. (+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do) mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 (wo, vrij)
www.wikimedia.nl
Mariaplaats 3 3511 LH Utrecht
Op wo 6 feb. 2019 om 22:56 schreef Eva Lepik eva@kodu.ee:
Dear all,
the conclusion to the copyright directive is approaching. The outcome seems to be horrible, as described for example here: https://twitter.com/paul_keller/status/1092912540194099200
or here: https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/article-13-worse/
Implementation of article 11 (link tax) and article 13 (content filtering) will have a severely negative impact on the digital environment. We don't know how much the link tax will affect the references in Wikipedia and Wikidata yet. As such, we cannot predict how much poorer the new liability regime will make our digital environment. The numerous outcries of digital rights organizations regarding the loss of freedom of speech and expression should be our concern, too.
The final plenary vote will most probably take place in March or April, some weeks before the elections of the next European Parliament. It will be the last chance to stop this disaster, after that we shall be left with damage control. Do your chapters have an action plan?
Best regards
Eva Lepik
Wikimedia Eesti
chairperson
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