Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week, post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk, I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_... [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix [2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix [3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan [4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including - what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that - how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean - how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
* PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week, post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk, I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_... [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix [2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix [3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan [4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question...
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week, post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk, I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_... [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix [2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix [3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan [4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Hi Jon,
I think a longer email would very much be welcome. Arne sent some emails to explain the working group over half a year ago, and most people will have forgotten that. Let alone that in that time boards have changed, chapters have been added etc. So I suggest to at least spend two paragraphs on the importance of this working group and why we want to involve the chapters here. Referring to a webpage for that kind of information is most of the times not very effective.
A short summary of the meeting (fruitful, no decisions but rather drafting a path forward and initializing discussions - along those lines) would I believe also be very helpful. Some kind of trigger to motivate people to actually open the link you send :)
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/9 Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question... As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Agree with Lodewijk - I think a longer email + summary would be useful to increase participation. Bishakha
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Hi Jon,
I think a longer email would very much be welcome. Arne sent some emails to explain the working group over half a year ago, and most people will have forgotten that. Let alone that in that time boards have changed, chapters have been added etc. So I suggest to at least spend two paragraphs on the importance of this working group and why we want to involve the chapters here. Referring to a webpage for that kind of information is most of the times not very effective.
A short summary of the meeting (fruitful, no decisions but rather drafting a path forward and initializing discussions - along those lines) would I believe also be very helpful. Some kind of trigger to motivate people to actually open the link you send :)
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/9 Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question...
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review
this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we
had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a
charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question... As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
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On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Hm, I find it less trivial :P
If you are on-schedule with the role matrix itself, I would be a fan of staying on schedule as much as possible (possibly one day delay), even if that means there are two messages close together. I think it is important to keep things moving, and there are many topics to cover. We had good reasons for picking Thursday, so I would like to keep that day if somewhat possible at least for the next weeks.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/9 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question... As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
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On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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I agree that one day later is probably OK. Would it make sense to make it the main agenda item of our IRC chat on Friday to elicit as much participation as possible? Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 9 Feb 2011, at 14:13, Lodewijk wrote:
Hm, I find it less trivial :P
If you are on-schedule with the role matrix itself, I would be a fan of staying on schedule as much as possible (possibly one day delay), even if that means there are two messages close together. I think it is important to keep things moving, and there are many topics to cover. We had good reasons for picking Thursday, so I would like to keep that day if somewhat possible at least for the next weeks.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/9 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question... As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
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On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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yes, let's review. compress the next week a bit but get back on by monday? SJ
2011/2/9 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all! I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_question... As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l. If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome! Cheers Jon
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On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our notes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
I also added section names and shared Alice's work: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with our longer summarized topic list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_...
This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work: If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white. However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards, SJ
- PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:
- An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
- Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_...
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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It's great to see people rolling up their sleeves, this week—Sj, Delphine, and Alice in particular have put in quite a bit of work, and although we're a bit behind, I agree that we can compress and get a lot done this weekend.
As Jon proposed elsewhere in this thread, I think we can re-align ourselves at tomorrow's meeting and stay more or less on track.
Austin
2011/2/9 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com:
yes, let's review. compress the next week a bit but get back on by monday? SJ
2011/2/9 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
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