Hm, I find it less trivial :P

If you are on-schedule with the role matrix itself, I would be a fan
of staying on schedule as much as possible (possibly one day delay),
even if that means there are two messages close together. I think it
is important to keep things moving, and there are many topics to
cover. We had good reasons for picking Thursday, so I would like to
keep that day if somewhat possible at least for the next weeks.

Best,

Lodewijk

2011/2/9 Delphine Ménard <notafishz@gmail.com>:

A more trivial question.

We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the

roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?

Delphine

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jon Huggett <jon.huggett@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!

I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions

As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,

I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l

and foundation-l.

If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi

everybody.  The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a

very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter

and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa.  If you would like to

know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a

full description of our work.  We are looking forward to discussing this

with the community over the coming months."  Any improvements welcome!

Cheers

Jon

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On 2011 Feb 8, at 18:57 , Samuel Klein wrote:

Dear MR*,

I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the

Hare.  With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our

notes:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29

I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics

I also added section names and shared Alice's work:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas

And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with

our longer summarized topic list:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix

This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work:

If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps

we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.

However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context

and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including

- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that

- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean

- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in

the movement we are imagining together"

Regards,

SJ

*  PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment?  It would

be much more fun to say.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Austin Hair <adhair@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,

post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the

right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me

doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to

your e-mail blacklists. :)

The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt

meeting has two main goals for the coming week:

* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole

of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his

e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,

I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track

for this?

* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is

the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with

Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that

Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the

work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the

meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently

with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).

Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a

solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a

page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad

and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to

have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time

to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do

so.

Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's

a ton of work to be done.

Cheers,

Austin

[0]

http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix

[2]

http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix

[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan

[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter

[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics

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