Summary: I can get a couple of Series 40 developer devices for contributors of Wikimedia mobile projects for this platform.
Most of the discussion about Wikimedia mobile projects tends to default to high-end devices. We definitely need to address those, but we shouldn't forget about Internet enabled devices pointing to lower price points.
A good example of this distortion is Nokia Series 40. It's the platform selling by far more mobile devices in the world (hundreds of millions), yet it hardly gets a decent page in Wikipedia ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_40
Anyway, there are some good developer news coming from this platform:
Ovi Browser - a proxy browser for efficient data usage http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Ovi_Browser/
Series 40 Web Apps http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Series_40_web_apps/ & http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/
Our work in the new mobile gateway should pay attention to this browser and Opera mini, the main choices of Series 40 Internet users. It would be also great if web developers (HTML/CSS/Javascript) would step in with ideas for mobile apps targeting Series 40 (this morning I was thinking how trivial would be to develop a Wikinews app).
If you have a convincing plan I can help you getting a developer device for your work.
For those of you not knowing Series 40 check this gallery: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/?filter2=s40
We are talking about devices with mobile browser, many of them location aware, equipped with camera, with support for dozens of languages also in Asia and Africa, able to play music and video (Ogg support might be tricky though). The price range is very diverse but to give you an idea the price of the Internet enabled devices goes around 100€ (full price, no contract). For many people these devices are the first (and frequently only) tool to access the Internet.
Nokia plans to sell a billion Series 40 Internet enabled devices, and other companies (most Europeans and Americans have never heard of) are also incresing the sales in this competitive segment in countries like India, China and surroundings. The good news is that (with some tuning) your web apps will probably work on those as well, as well as on the higher end platforms.
-- Quim
Indeed, it seems like the main problem on these sorts of things is that we Americans have no idea where or how to get them. No sales channels, no seeing them in use on the street, no access to test devices. :(
-- brion
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote:
Summary: I can get a couple of Series 40 developer devices for contributors of Wikimedia mobile projects for this platform.
Most of the discussion about Wikimedia mobile projects tends to default to high-end devices. We definitely need to address those, but we shouldn't forget about Internet enabled devices pointing to lower price points.
A good example of this distortion is Nokia Series 40. It's the platform selling by far more mobile devices in the world (hundreds of millions), yet it hardly gets a decent page in Wikipedia ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_40
Anyway, there are some good developer news coming from this platform:
Ovi Browser - a proxy browser for efficient data usage http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Ovi_Browser/
Series 40 Web Apps http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Series_40_web_apps/ & http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/
Our work in the new mobile gateway should pay attention to this browser and Opera mini, the main choices of Series 40 Internet users. It would be also great if web developers (HTML/CSS/Javascript) would step in with ideas for mobile apps targeting Series 40 (this morning I was thinking how trivial would be to develop a Wikinews app).
If you have a convincing plan I can help you getting a developer device for your work.
For those of you not knowing Series 40 check this gallery: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/?filter2=s40
We are talking about devices with mobile browser, many of them location aware, equipped with camera, with support for dozens of languages also in Asia and Africa, able to play music and video (Ogg support might be tricky though). The price range is very diverse but to give you an idea the price of the Internet enabled devices goes around 100€ (full price, no contract). For many people these devices are the first (and frequently only) tool to access the Internet.
Nokia plans to sell a billion Series 40 Internet enabled devices, and other companies (most Europeans and Americans have never heard of) are also incresing the sales in this competitive segment in countries like India, China and surroundings. The good news is that (with some tuning) your web apps will probably work on those as well, as well as on the higher end platforms.
-- Quim
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On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 15:30 -0700, ext Brion Vibber wrote:
Indeed, it seems like the main problem on these sorts of things is that we Americans have no idea where or how to get them. No sales channels, no seeing them in use on the street, no access to test devices. :(
True. Series 40 devices are typically sold unlocked through retailers, getting the data plan from them or somewhere else. This is quite normal in Europe, Asia and Africa, but not at all in the USA. Still you can get them at least through nokiausa.com or Amazon.
As said, if someone needs a Series 40 developer device for testing I can help. The SDK is free: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/
-- Quim
-- brion
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote: Summary: I can get a couple of Series 40 developer devices for contributors of Wikimedia mobile projects for this platform.
Most of the discussion about Wikimedia mobile projects tends to default to high-end devices. We definitely need to address those, but we shouldn't forget about Internet enabled devices pointing to lower price points. A good example of this distortion is Nokia Series 40. It's the platform selling by far more mobile devices in the world (hundreds of millions), yet it hardly gets a decent page in Wikipedia ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_40 Anyway, there are some good developer news coming from this platform: Ovi Browser - a proxy browser for efficient data usage http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Ovi_Browser/ Series 40 Web Apps http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Series_40_web_apps/ & http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/ Our work in the new mobile gateway should pay attention to this browser and Opera mini, the main choices of Series 40 Internet users. It would be also great if web developers (HTML/CSS/Javascript) would step in with ideas for mobile apps targeting Series 40 (this morning I was thinking how trivial would be to develop a Wikinews app). If you have a convincing plan I can help you getting a developer device for your work. For those of you not knowing Series 40 check this gallery: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/?filter2=s40 We are talking about devices with mobile browser, many of them location aware, equipped with camera, with support for dozens of languages also in Asia and Africa, able to play music and video (Ogg support might be tricky though). The price range is very diverse but to give you an idea the price of the Internet enabled devices goes around 100€ (full price, no contract). For many people these devices are the first (and frequently only) tool to access the Internet. Nokia plans to sell a billion Series 40 Internet enabled devices, and other companies (most Europeans and Americans have never heard of) are also incresing the sales in this competitive segment in countries like India, China and surroundings. The good news is that (with some tuning) your web apps will probably work on those as well, as well as on the higher end platforms. -- Quim _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 15:30 -0700, ext Brion Vibber wrote:
Indeed, it seems like the main problem on these sorts of things is that we Americans have no idea where or how to get them. No sales channels, no seeing them in use on the street, no access to test devices. :(
True. Series 40 devices are typically sold unlocked through retailers, getting the data plan from them or somewhere else. This is quite normal in Europe, Asia and Africa, but not at all in the USA. Still you can get them at least through nokiausa.com or Amazon.
Aho, and indeed there they are hiding. :D We should make sure we've at least got one in the SF office here. (Tomasz do you wanna look into that or shall I just order one on a whim? They're cheap! :D)
As said, if someone needs a Series 40 developer device for testing I can help. The SDK is free: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/
Spiff, we'll see if there's an SDK emu for now...
-- brion
-- Quim
-- brion
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote: Summary: I can get a couple of Series 40 developer devices for contributors of Wikimedia mobile projects for this platform.
Most of the discussion about Wikimedia mobile projects tends to default to high-end devices. We definitely need to address those, but we shouldn't forget about Internet enabled devices pointing to lower price points. A good example of this distortion is Nokia Series 40. It's the platform selling by far more mobile devices in the world (hundreds of millions), yet it hardly gets a decent page in Wikipedia ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_40 Anyway, there are some good developer news coming from this platform: Ovi Browser - a proxy browser for efficient data usage http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Ovi_Browser/ Series 40 Web Apps http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/Series_40_web_apps/ & http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Web/ Our work in the new mobile gateway should pay attention to this browser and Opera mini, the main choices of Series 40 Internet users. It would be also great if web developers (HTML/CSS/Javascript) would step in with ideas for mobile apps targeting Series 40 (this morning I was thinking how trivial would be to develop a Wikinews app). If you have a convincing plan I can help you getting a developer device for your work. For those of you not knowing Series 40 check this gallery:http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/?filter2=s40
We are talking about devices with mobile browser, many of them location aware, equipped with camera, with support for dozens of languages also in Asia and Africa, able to play music and video (Ogg support might be tricky though). The price range is very diverse but to give you an idea the price of the Internet enabled devices goes around 100€ (full price, no contract). For many people these devices are the first (and frequently only) tool to access the Internet. Nokia plans to sell a billion Series 40 Internet enabled devices, and other companies (most Europeans and Americans have never heard of) are also incresing the sales in this competitive segment in countries like India, China and surroundings. The good news is that (with some tuning) your web apps will probably work on those as well, as well as on the higher end platforms. -- Quim _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Aho, and indeed there they are hiding. :D We should make sure we've at least got one in the SF office here. (Tomasz do you wanna look into that or shall I just order one on a whim? They're cheap! :D)
Brion - just order one and get Tomasz to reimburse you (it's in our budget for some testing devices) unless Quim can get them for us for free :)
--Kul
Since were thinking of getting an open GSM access point .. data shouldn't be too much of a problem :)
--tomasz
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Quim Gil wrote:
True. Series 40 devices are typically sold unlocked through retailers, getting the data plan from them or somewhere else. This is quite normal in Europe, Asia and Africa, but not at all in the USA. Still you can get them at least through nokiausa.com or Amazon.
sounds interesting. as devices with such a resolution and opera or other browser where quite common here as well, do we have a wikipedia mobile access statistic from 2006?
rupert
On Apr 21, 2011 2:46 AM, "Tomasz Finc" tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Since were thinking of getting an open GSM access point .. data shouldn't be too much of a problem :)
--tomasz
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Quim Gil wrote:
True. Series 40 devices are typically sold unlocked...
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On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 08:42 +0200, ext rupert THURNER wrote:
sounds interesting. as devices with such a resolution and opera or other browser where quite common here as well
Are you referring to the USA? After searching in Google Shopping I found that the current flagship devices from Series 40 are actually available through many US distributors of unlocked devices. The thing is that those channels seem to be popular basically among foreigners, lo-fi mobile users and those not so well received by carrier contracts.
fwiw the current devices targeted for Series 40 development are
Nokia X3-02 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/X3-02/
Nokia C3-01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C3-01/
This is the "high end" or the "mid range", but if we get things to work there they will work in any of the devices supported by Ovi Browser and its related Web tools.
-- Quim
, do we have a wikipedia mobile access statistic from 2006?
rupert
On Apr 21, 2011 2:46 AM, "Tomasz Finc" tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
Since were thinking of getting an open GSM access point .. data shouldn't be too much of a problem :)
--tomasz
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Quim Gil wrote:
True. Series 40 devices are typically sold unlocked...
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org h...
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 17:50, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 08:42 +0200, ext rupert THURNER wrote:
sounds interesting. as devices with such a resolution and opera or other browser where quite common here as well
Are you referring to the USA? After searching in Google Shopping I found that the current flagship devices from Series 40 are actually available through many US distributors of unlocked devices. The thing is that those channels seem to be popular basically among foreigners, lo-fi mobile users and those not so well received by carrier contracts.
fwiw the current devices targeted for Series 40 development are
Nokia X3-02 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/X3-02/
Nokia C3-01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C3-01/
This is the "high end" or the "mid range", but if we get things to work there they will work in any of the devices supported by Ovi Browser and its related Web tools.
even better, this means we could have recent statistics as well? how would the "patented cloud based internet compression technology" [1] make a mark in wikimedia servers browser statistics?
rupert.
[1] - http://mobigyaan.com/nokia-introduces-ovi-browser-for-series-40-phones
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:15 +0200, ext rupert THURNER wrote:
fwiw the current devices targeted for Series 40 development are Nokia X3-02 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/X3-02/ Nokia C3-01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C3-01/ This is the "high end" or the "mid range", but if we get things to work there they will work in any of the devices supported by Ovi Browser and its related Web tools.even better, this means we could have recent statistics as well? how would the "patented cloud based internet compression technology" [1] make a mark in wikimedia servers browser statistics?
[1]
I don't know how the Ovi Browser proxy behaves with the Wikimedia servers, and whether it is possible to track every single user requesting every single Wikimedia page through it.
I actually don't know how Wikimedia gathers stats in general, since I guess there is also cache servers. As matter of fact nowadays there are no statistics available for any of the mobile sites.
It is of course (very!) useful to have accurate stats of your mobile visitors, but in the current situation we can focus on having the good user experience in the first place.
-- Quim
Hoi, There are mobile stats. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyMobile.htm Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2011 01:26, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:15 +0200, ext rupert THURNER wrote:
fwiw the current devices targeted for Series 40 development are Nokia X3-02 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/X3-02/ Nokia C3-01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C3-01/ This is the "high end" or the "mid range", but if we get things to work there they will work in any of the devices supported by Ovi Browser and its related Web tools.even better, this means we could have recent statistics as well? how would the "patented cloud based internet compression technology" [1] make a mark in wikimedia servers browser statistics?
[1]
I don't know how the Ovi Browser proxy behaves with the Wikimedia servers, and whether it is possible to track every single user requesting every single Wikimedia page through it.
I actually don't know how Wikimedia gathers stats in general, since I guess there is also cache servers. As matter of fact nowadays there are no statistics available for any of the mobile sites.
It is of course (very!) useful to have accurate stats of your mobile visitors, but in the current situation we can focus on having the good user experience in the first place.
-- Quim
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Right .. but that doesn't include a browser break down like the main squid level stats do. I've been talking to RobLA and Nimish about when we could make that happen.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, There are mobile stats. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyMobile.htm Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2011 01:26, Quim Gil quim.gil@nokia.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:15 +0200, ext rupert THURNER wrote:
fwiw the current devices targeted for Series 40 development are Nokia X3-02 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/X3-02/ Nokia C3-01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/C3-01/ This is the "high end" or the "mid range", but if we get things to work there they will work in any of the devices supported by Ovi Browser and its related Web tools.even better, this means we could have recent statistics as well? how would the "patented cloud based internet compression technology" [1] make a mark in wikimedia servers browser statistics?
[1]
http://mobigyaan.com/nokia-introduces-ovi-browser-for-series-40-phones
I don't know how the Ovi Browser proxy behaves with the Wikimedia servers, and whether it is possible to track every single user requesting every single Wikimedia page through it.
I actually don't know how Wikimedia gathers stats in general, since I guess there is also cache servers. As matter of fact nowadays there are no statistics available for any of the mobile sites.
It is of course (very!) useful to have accurate stats of your mobile visitors, but in the current situation we can focus on having the good user experience in the first place.
-- Quim
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