Is it possible to edit or delete a thread posted on lists.wikimedia.org?
On Tue, 2021-05-18 at 09:15 +0000, ericliu.roc@gmail.com wrote:
Is it possible to edit or delete a thread posted on lists.wikimedia.org?
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andre
Sorry, but I have to object to the previous reply.
I do not think we should somewhat tell fellow list administrators to 'go away, ask elsewhere' especially when we've just migrated to use a new and unknown software for most of us.
The question posted is legit, and subscription to this mailing list is now voluntary given that a new listadmins-announce exists [1]. People is now free to unsubcribe from this one. The footer is no longer accurate.
[1] See "[List admins] Upgrade to mailman3, new mailing list for admins (-announce)" May 6, 2021 accesible at: https://w.wiki/3LvJ
Thanks, M.-
El mar, 18 may 2021 a las 11:25, Andre Klapper (aklapper@wikimedia.org) escribió:
On Tue, 2021-05-18 at 09:15 +0000, ericliu.roc@gmail.com wrote:
Is it possible to edit or delete a thread posted on lists.wikimedia.org?
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By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists.
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andre
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On Tue, 2021-05-18 at 11:50 +0200, MarcoAurelio wrote:
Sorry, but I have to object to the previous reply.
I do not think we should somewhat tell fellow list administrators to 'go away, ask elsewhere' especially when we've just migrated to use a new and unknown software for most of us.
The question posted is legit, and subscription to this mailing list is now voluntary given that a new listadmins-announce exists [1].
I forgot that aspect. Thanks Marco for the correction! I apologize.
andre
Il 18/05/21 12:15, ericliu.roc@gmail.com ha scritto:
Is it possible to edit or delete a thread posted on lists.wikimedia.org?
It's technically possible from the web interface, according to: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mailman&oldid=1911323#R...
I've just checked on a mailing list I'm admin of, and I didn't see the option. I think the deletion should keep requiring global mailman admin rights (or whatever the highest privileges are now) and the policy should remain the same as always: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remove_a_message_from_mailing_list_archive&oldid=154020#Current_situation
So, in short, let's only delete things when we're ~legally forced to. (And ideally, let WMF handle it, as list admins are not required to know the applicable legal standards.) It's going to be a nightmare otherwise.
Federico
As a site admins these people can delete messages:
- Legoktm - Quiddity - SRE team - WMF Trust and Safety - I (Ladsgroup)
It's much less disruptive than mailman2 (and pretty easy, doable from UI) so we can do it if private info is exposed, etc. but as said before it should not be taken lightly. If it's serious, send me or any these people a message.
Best
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 4:22 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Il 18/05/21 12:15, ericliu.roc@gmail.com ha scritto:
Is it possible to edit or delete a thread posted on lists.wikimedia.org?
It's technically possible from the web interface, according to:
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mailman&oldid=1911323#R...
I've just checked on a mailing list I'm admin of, and I didn't see the option. I think the deletion should keep requiring global mailman admin rights (or whatever the highest privileges are now) and the policy should remain the same as always: < https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remove_a_message_from_maili...
So, in short, let's only delete things when we're ~legally forced to. (And ideally, let WMF handle it, as list admins are not required to know the applicable legal standards.) It's going to be a nightmare otherwise.
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Thanks for the reply. I've already checked the Meta and the Wikitech page months before, so I understood it was ridiculously difficult to delete a thread via the previous version of Mailman. The reason of me asking this question now is because the Mailman 3 update, which let me be a bit hopeful about whether it'd become easier (or practically possible) to delete a thread.
Now I know how the "delete" circumstance be, is it possible to only edit out the sensitive content of the thread instead of completely wiping everything off? If possible, is it less disruptive? It will decide my choice later on.
P.S. Though this list is a "List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org", and I knew listadmins-announce (so I choose to post here), but I still offer my sincere apology for bothering Andre and everyone else on listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org, as I don't know where else to ask the question ><.
Thank you, and sorry.
Hi,
On 5/18/21 4:39 PM, Eric Liu wrote:
P.S. Though this list is a "List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org", and I knew listadmins-announce (so I choose to post here), but I still offer my sincere apology for bothering Andre and everyone else on listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org, as I don't know where else to ask the question ><.
I would like to keep a high signal-to-noise ratio[1] on this list on topics for *list administrators*. I don't know if you're asking in your capacity as a list admin or just as a user, I would consider the former on-topic and the latter off-topic.
Feel free to ask generic Mailman/mailing list questions at: * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech * #wikimedia-tech on freenode IRC
Typically we don't use Phabricator for support requests but right now people are getting used to Mailman3 and honestly we'd rather have list admins file bugs for things that seem off but aren't wrong than miss something that actually is wrong.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio#Other_uses
-- Kunal
The UI allows us to delete an email or a whole thread. It's not possible to edit a message. Technically it's possible to directly change them in the database but it'll probably break lots of functionalities.
HTH
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 1:39 AM Eric Liu ericliu.roc@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I've already checked the Meta and the Wikitech page months before, so I understood it was ridiculously difficult to delete a thread via the previous version of Mailman. The reason of me asking this question now is because the Mailman 3 update, which let me be a bit hopeful about whether it'd become easier (or practically possible) to delete a thread.
Now I know how the "delete" circumstance be, is it possible to only edit out the sensitive content of the thread instead of completely wiping everything off? If possible, is it less disruptive? It will decide my choice later on.
P.S. Though this list is a "List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org", and I knew listadmins-announce (so I choose to post here), but I still offer my sincere apology for bothering Andre and everyone else on listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org, as I don't know where else to ask the question ><.
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Hello there,
I noticed two things:
1) Before the upgrade we had two options, mailaddresses where the mails were rejected, and mailaddresses where the mails were deleted AFAIK. I noticed that only one part was migrated to MM3, since a user previously blocked at a list now had the chance to get to the list again. Is this kind of an error, or expected?
P.S.: I also noticed now similar option at "message acceptance", but none of the old settings was migrated to this point, while a few other mailaddresses are now "banned users".
2) Before the upgrade, I had an option active that send me (and the other listadmins) copies of every rejected/deleted mail. This is a good tool for important lists to make sure that nothing serious gets missed, while prevent to spam the archive. As far as I can see it, there is no such option now in the MM3 setting, is there another way to reach this previous behavior?
Best regards,
Luke
Hi,
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:21 AM Luke081515 luke081515@web.de wrote:
Hello there,
I noticed two things:
- Before the upgrade we had two options, mailaddresses where the mails
were rejected, and mailaddresses where the mails were deleted AFAIK. I noticed that only one part was migrated to MM3, since a user previously blocked at a list now had the chance to get to the list again. Is this kind of an error, or expected?
P.S.: I also noticed now similar option at "message acceptance", but none of the old settings was migrated to this point, while a few other mailaddresses are now "banned users".
You can see them under the list of users (non-members) I think. Is that what you're looking for?
- Before the upgrade, I had an option active that send me (and the
other listadmins) copies of every rejected/deleted mail. This is a good tool for important lists to make sure that nothing serious gets missed, while prevent to spam the archive. As far as I can see it, there is no such option now in the MM3 setting, is there another way to reach this previous behavior?
It doesn't seem such a configuration exists anymore. https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/l...
But I think you should see mm3 in a different way, you can hold those messages and tend to them much easier than mm2 (there's no shared admin password that you would need to enter every time, just stay logged in as your own user). Discard option is for when you're sure it doesn't need handling.
Best regards,
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