Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk
Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authenticationhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
________________________________ From: Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Rob Halsell rhalsell@wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM To: List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator taskhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.commailto:saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk
Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authenticationhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.orghttp://lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
_______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.orgmailto:rhalsell@wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 0245 D22A Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
*From:* Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Rob Halsell rhalsell@wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go.
It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages.
-I
On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com mailto:saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Listadmins <listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of Rob Halsell <rhalsell@wikimedia.org <mailto:rhalsell@wikimedia.org>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org <http://lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/> and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership. Hope that helps! On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com <mailto:saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi. I am having issue logging in to admin panel. It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> lists.wikimedia.org <http://lists.wikimedia.org> Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect. Saqib _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins> -- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org <mailto:rhalsell@wikimedia.org> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 /0245 D22A /Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495 _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins>
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org mailto:rhalsell@wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 /0245 D22A /Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
@Isarra
I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go file the issue at the right place.
I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it!
Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is.
rex
On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go.
It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages.
-I
On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com');> wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
*From:* Listadmins <listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org');> on behalf of Rob Halsell <rhalsell@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org');> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com');> wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org'); Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org'); Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org');https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, especially the second time.
On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
@Isarra
I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go file the issue at the right place.
I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it!
Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is.
rex
On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos <zhorishna@gmail.com mailto:zhorishna@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go. It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages. -I On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list. Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue. Hope that helps, On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com');>> wrote: Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Listadmins <listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org');>> on behalf of Rob Halsell <rhalsell@wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org');>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org <http://lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/> and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership. Hope that helps! On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com');>> wrote: Hi. I am having issue logging in to admin panel. It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk> lists.wikimedia.org <http://lists.wikimedia.org> Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect. Saqib _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org');> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins> -- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org');> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 /0245 D22A /Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495 _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org');> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins> -- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rhalsell@wikimedia.org');> Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 /0245 D22A /Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495 _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org');> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins>
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
I tried hard not to respond, but let me respond after all, as this seems to drag on:
This list is an non-voluntary list where all list admins on all Wikimedia mailing lists have access to because of that access.It was set up to ensure that announcements and important discussions reach all list admins.
With involuntary lists like this, it is important to keep traffic very low, and limited to topics that are relevant to most or all list admins.
If you have a technical problem (lost password, something is broken), phabricator.wikimedia.org is probably the best approach. If you want to have a broad discussion about mailing lists, alternative venues etc - you probably want to have a public discussion, and metawiki is the appropriate venue (or a mailing list like wikimedia-l).
This is why people point out when a different venue is more appropriate for a specific email. It is more likely to get the aimed result. I do agree that this pointing out could more effectively happen in private, rather than on the list. Please don't see that as an effort to be rude, but as an effort to keep traffic low and maximal subscription.
To be honest, I don't see why this list would not be on full-moderation.
Best, Lodewijk
2016-12-03 0:59 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com:
The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, especially the second time.
On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
@Isarra
I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go file the issue at the right place.
I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it!
Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is.
rex
On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go.
It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages.
-I
On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
*From:* Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Rob Halsell rhalsell@wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 <(415)%20839-6885> x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495>
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
-- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell@wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A *Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 <(415)%20839-6885> Fax: 415.882.0495 <(415)%20882-0495>
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Hi Lodewijk,
If this list was on full moderation, that would put a limit on the ability to have productive discussions, such as the collective discussion not so long ago about a proposal to delete certain emails from the list archives.
I'm fine with any list admin making a reasonably on-topic post to this list. That includes both asking for help, and asking people to use Phabricator in cases where Phabricator is a good option.
As a reminder: most people are not obligated to read threads on mailing lists, including this one. If a subject does not interest someone then he/she can simply archive or delete the thread.
I am fine with curtailing spam, trolling, and highly off-topic posts. Other than that, I think that if someone subscribes to mailing lists -- and takes the extra step of becoming a mailing list administrator -- then he/she should expect to receive emails, including at least some that may not especially interest him/her but which are somehow related to the list that he/she agreed to moderate.
Pine
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I tried hard not to respond, but let me respond after all, as this seems to drag on:
This list is an non-voluntary list where all list admins on all Wikimedia mailing lists have access to because of that access.It was set up to ensure that announcements and important discussions reach all list admins.
With involuntary lists like this, it is important to keep traffic very low, and limited to topics that are relevant to most or all list admins.
If you have a technical problem (lost password, something is broken), phabricator.wikimedia.org is probably the best approach. If you want to have a broad discussion about mailing lists, alternative venues etc - you probably want to have a public discussion, and metawiki is the appropriate venue (or a mailing list like wikimedia-l).
This is why people point out when a different venue is more appropriate for a specific email. It is more likely to get the aimed result. I do agree that this pointing out could more effectively happen in private, rather than on the list. Please don't see that as an effort to be rude, but as an effort to keep traffic low and maximal subscription.
To be honest, I don't see why this list would not be on full-moderation.
Best, Lodewijk
2016-12-03 0:59 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com:
The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, especially the second time.
On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
@Isarra
I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go file the issue at the right place.
I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it!
Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is.
rex
On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go.
It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages.
-I
On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
*From:* Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Rob Halsell rhalsell@wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
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I see a certain irony in getting half a dozen of emails discussing how to keep the volume low on the list. I think i'll unsubscribe. You can reach me on Phabricator if you need password resets.
Have a good day
Not sure if that'll the best place but I've added at < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Lost_list_admin... what listadmins should do if they loose their passwords. Maybe that helps for the future, but IMHO we shouldn't be hostile to the random request for help we receive at this list. Just my two cents.
Best regards, M.
2016-12-05 17:23 GMT+01:00 Daniel Zahn dzahn@wikimedia.org:
I see a certain irony in getting half a dozen of emails discussing how to keep the volume low on the list. I think i'll unsubscribe. You can reach me on Phabricator if you need password resets.
Have a good day
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It's possible to read the 2 emails, as a clear yet custom-written answer to an faq, with attempts at friendliness and an offer of further assistance. They were inherently written in a limited amount of time, for an unknown recipient who may have different expectations (culturally or related to process), and who may have a different primary language. Plus, not everyone is a skilled wrangler of eloquent prose, nor retains an extensive internal dictionary + thesaurus + interlingual glossary for all the possible nuances and variant meanings that surround a word. Words are hard. That's part of the essence of assume good faith: reading things with a few different interpretations or intonations or emphases, trying to understand the details /around/ the word choice, not always within the word choice. Be kind, and assume that others are both kind and are different (both as a whole, and with their individual actions). When people are treated harshly for trying to help, with every word choice jumped on, they stop trying to help.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
The replies were helpful overall. The bringing up both time how this is going to bother everyone else on the list, however, was unnecessary, especially the second time.
On 02/12/16 23:56, Nkansah Rexford wrote:
@Isarra
I hardly see any "rude responses" relating to pointing a subscriber to go file the issue at the right place.
I'm still struggling how best again Rob's words could have been and not be rude. At least, he used "Please" in both his emails. I wouldn't have added the "Please", trust me! If he gave you that, take it!
Go file the issue at Phabricator, and that's rude? No one responds, and the next guy comes complaining why this list isn't helpful. When it gets helpful, another guy comes saying how "rude" helpful it is.
rex
On Friday, December 2, 2016, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is a mailing list. The whole point of most mailing lists is to be a place where people can ask questions and move forward. In this case, there was a question about what to do about being unable to login - the answer is to take it to phabricator, and thank you for giving it, but in the future, please be less disparaging about it and do not use all subscribed other members as leverage for making people feel bad. This is potentially useful information for anyone here that that's the place to go.
It seems like every time something comes up here there are rude responses about how people shouldn't be dragging everyone else into it, and frankly I find that to be far more annoying than seeing extra messages.
-I
On 30/11/16 18:15, Rob Halsell wrote:
I'd still advise opening a phabricator task. I don't think every list admin for every mailman list for WMF wants to follow along on the technical support of a single list.
Please go ahead and file a phabricator task, and we can help you from there! We'll do the usual of confirming your identity, then setting and testing a new list admin password to determine if the login failure is to that user, or a local issue.
Hope that helps,
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually I have retrieved a new password but still cannot login to admin access.
*From:* Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Rob Halsell rhalsell@wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:40:44 PM *To:* List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [List admins] Cant login to list
The majority of the users on the list admin list cannot reset the password of other mailing lists. If you have forgotten the password of your mailing list, please file a phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ and list off #wikimedia-mailing-lists as the project. That way all the background comparison of email and account can be done properly to confirm list ownership.
Hope that helps!
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Saqib Qayyum saqib.qayyum@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi.
I am having issue logging in to admin panel.
It seems i forget my password. How can I retrieve it ?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk Wikimedia-PK Administrator Authentication https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/wikimedia-pk lists.wikimedia.org Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
Saqib
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