2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:
2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:
Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?
I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries
And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?
I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?
All the best,
Lucian
On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !! Thanks, GerardM
On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
119,729 Libraries in USA x 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) x 251 work days in a year = 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
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Hi there,
Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!
http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
From: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?
2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.commailto:emijrp@gmail.com>: 2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <lucian.velea@lexica.romailto:lucian.velea@lexica.ro>: Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?
I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country? I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?
All the best, Lucian
On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !! Thanks, GerardM
On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.commailto:thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote: If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
119,729 Libraries in USA x 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) x 251 work days in a year = 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
Get the word out, Thad +ThadGuidryhttps://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry
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Hello everyone.
For Italian libraries, you can find a good csv here: http://opendata.anagrafe.iccu.sbn.it/territorio.zip
Cristian Consonni also had a project of importing all of them on OpenStreetMap: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RCantoroBot/Anagrafe_delle_bibliote... (I think the project is frozen though).
In Italy we are working a lot with libraries and librarians, but I think it needs a cultural (so, looong) approach: we are doing workshops, editathons, lectues on Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikidata too.
They are very interested in Wikidata, but it scares them a little (RDF, linked open data, knowledge base are scary words for most people).
I very much like the "gaming" approach of Magnus's tools, as it can be a bridge in teaching librarians how to cope with wikidata with things they understand better. For example, here's the Mix 'n' match tool for reconciling authors from the National Authority Control and Wikidata: http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=random&catalog=58&submode...
We are collaborating directly with the National Library of Florence, too.
Finally, in Google Summer of Code 2014 Amanpreet Singh worked on a project for annotating books and get the annotate "statement" directly on Wikidata: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_annotation_tool/project_completion_r... The idea is that you could read the web, than find a "fact", and then highlight it and get a statement that gets feeded on Wikidata.
Unfortunately, I think that project has been abandoned too (but it seems that the code works).
IMHO, that would be very useful for librarians and not: as you read you can populate Wikidata.
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org wrote:
Hi there,
Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!
http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
*From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?
2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:
2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:
Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?
I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries
And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?
I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?
All the best,Lucian
On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!
Thanks,
GerardMOn 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
119,729 Libraries in USA
x
1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)
x
251 work days in a year
=
30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
Get the word out,
Thad
+ThadGuidry https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry
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2015-06-30 19:30 GMT+02:00 Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.org:
Hi there,
Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them.
Yes, you pointed two important issues. What I propose is creating lists (not stubs for all libraries, by now). So in lists you have more freedom to add stuff that may or not be a notable article. It is the same with monuments lists in Wiki Loves Monuments.
Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!
I'm not really sure if librarians are discouraged to create stubs about their institutions. We can ask the community anyway. Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.
But again, first we need some help to complete the lists. I doubt there is any problem with having librarians of a country expanding a list of libraries in their country.
http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer OCLC Research
*From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?
2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emijrp@gmail.com:
2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea lucian.velea@lexica.ro:
Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?
I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries
And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?
I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?
All the best,Lucian
On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!
Thanks,
GerardMOn 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
119,729 Libraries in USA
x
1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)
x
251 work days in a year
=
30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
Get the word out,
Thad
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Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada, 04/07/2015 14:20:
Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.
Not for the paperwork. Let's avoid throwing unwitting librarians into crime. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#paid-contrib-disclosure
Nemo
2015-07-04 19:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada, 04/07/2015 14:20:
Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.
Not for the paperwork. Let's avoid throwing unwitting librarians into crime. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#paid-contrib-disclosure
You are being a bit picky. And... crime!?
I said "we can ask the community" and my proposal is about _lists_ (list of items) not articles where "promotional" stuff can be hypothetically written. Also, what you linked is about paid editing _without disclosure_. We are talking about this in an open way, and any librarian can disclose it in his userpage if needed.
Also, here[1] it says:
"There are exceptions to the general advice that editors with a financial COI refrain from editing affected articles. Benign examples of editors being paid include Wikipedians collaborating with mission-aligned organizations such as galleries, libraries, archives and museums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM."
Said that, I'm not interested in a wikilaw thread. Bye.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Paid_editing
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Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada, 04/07/2015 14:20:
Being most libraries non-profit and educational resources, I think that it is a special case.
Not for the paperwork. Let's avoid throwing unwitting librarians into crime. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#paid-contrib-disclosure
Please see also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/FAQ_on_paid_contributions_witho...
From the FAQ: "These requirements shouldn't keep teachers, professors,
or people working at galleries, libraries, archives, and museums ("GLAM") institutions from making contributions in good faith! If you fall into one of those categories, you are only required to comply with the disclosure provision when you are compensated by your employer or by a client specifically for edits and uploads to a Wikimedia project."
Best regards, Patrick