Hi all,
Some of you have known about this project which has been in the works for some time - works IDs. For those of you who did know about it, they have been released. Huzzah!
http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/linked-data/worldcat-entities.en.html
For those of you who are scratching your heads and wondering why this is important or how it might be useful, I offer you a great example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance
Right now, the convention in InfoBox Book, etc. is to note the ISBN and other IDs associated with the first edition of a work. Although this is useful, in an information retrieval context it is not as useful as it might be - adding one or more work IDs to the mix would be useful because the work ID can bring back more information about editions published in different locations, on different dates, etc.
http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/12477503.html
I'm curious to hear what you think. Are these identifiers useful in the Wikimedia world? Right now OCLC numbers are used, as are VIAF ids, and Dewey numbers.
Best,
Merrilee
Hi Merilee, thanks for the update. A quick answer is: yes, they could be useful. In Wikidata, we ended up dividing the Item of a book in 2 level: *work* and *edition *(it is a sort of *manifestation-expression* mashup).
In the Wikimedia world, we thought, we have work-level entities: the *Hamlet* article on Wikipedia is at work level, so is *Pinocchio*, etc. When you have a Wikipedia article about a book, often, is at work level. It's about the book in general, not a particular edition.
On the other hand, in Wikisource we speak about particular edition or translation of a book. It's a manifestation level (or expression, or both: never really understood the difference :-)
So, yeah: in theory, in Wikidata we could import these IDs.
Aubrey
PS: these kind of distinctions are quite subtle and difficult, if you want to discuss them please refer to the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force page.
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.orgwrote:
Hi all,
Some of you have known about this project which has been in the works for some time – works IDs. For those of you who did know about it, they have been released. Huzzah!
http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/linked-data/worldcat-entities.en.html
For those of you who are scratching your heads and wondering why this is important or how it might be useful, I offer you a great example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance
Right now, the convention in InfoBox Book, etc. is to note the ISBN and other IDs associated with the first edition of a work. Although this is useful, in an information retrieval context it is not as useful as it might be – adding one or more work IDs to the mix would be useful because the work ID can bring back more information about editions published in different locations, on different dates, etc.
http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/12477503.html
I’m curious to hear what you think. Are these identifiers useful in the Wikimedia world? Right now OCLC numbers are used, as are VIAF ids, and Dewey numbers.
Best,
Merrilee
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Hi Merrilee,
That is wonderful! Will there be a way to convert edition IDs into work IDs?
At some point the book infobox should be modified to show both work and edition info, so it is definitely useful to get ready for that.
Do you plan to run bots to import these identifiers?
Cheers, Micru
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee proffitm@oclc.orgwrote:
Hi all,
Some of you have known about this project which has been in the works for some time – works IDs. For those of you who did know about it, they have been released. Huzzah!
http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/linked-data/worldcat-entities.en.html
For those of you who are scratching your heads and wondering why this is important or how it might be useful, I offer you a great example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance
Right now, the convention in InfoBox Book, etc. is to note the ISBN and other IDs associated with the first edition of a work. Although this is useful, in an information retrieval context it is not as useful as it might be – adding one or more work IDs to the mix would be useful because the work ID can bring back more information about editions published in different locations, on different dates, etc.
http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/12477503.html
I’m curious to hear what you think. Are these identifiers useful in the Wikimedia world? Right now OCLC numbers are used, as are VIAF ids, and Dewey numbers.
Best,
Merrilee
Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries
Micru, I'm not sure what you mean by edition IDs. However, I see the work IDs as yet another way to unify pages about the same work that appear in the various language wikis. I like the "first edition" information in the info box. The edition infobox contains valuable information for the history of the work in that language - and it attempts to identify the first instance of the work, which I think is good history. Adding the work ID to *wikidata* would provide one of those cross-language connectors that wikidata is working to achieve. So I see the workID as an additional identifier, possibly in the list of authorities at the bottom of the page.
Because there is more than one workID for any given book (e.g. Librarything, OPen Library, and others have or are developing WorkIDs) we should come up with a solution that can handle them all and future ones.
kc
On 5/4/14, 12:26 PM, David Cuenca wrote:
Hi Merrilee,
That is wonderful! Will there be a way to convert edition IDs into work IDs?
At some point the book infobox should be modified to show both work and edition info, so it is definitely useful to get ready for that.
Do you plan to run bots to import these identifiers?
Cheers, Micru
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee <proffitm@oclc.org mailto:proffitm@oclc.org> wrote:
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